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Added support for performing an insert operation by holding Cmd/Ctrl+Shift while dragging clips from the media pool or source viewer

In Beta 8, we can now use the above key combo to insert as we drag to the timeline, however the snapping seems to be broken and thus you get no accuracy when you're trying to insert a clip or a generator this way.

The snap indicators show up, but as long as you're holding Ctrl+Shift, it doesn't snap as expected.

I am on Windows, and don't know if this is also how it behaves on macOS.

I'm seeing the same. Snapping works with Overwrite (CTRL+DRAG), but not for Insert (CTRL+SHIFT+DRAG).

eikonoklastes wrote:

Added support for performing an insert operation by holding Cmd/Ctrl+Shift while dragging clips from the media pool or source viewer

In Beta 8, we can now use the above key combo to insert as we drag to the timeline, however the snapping seems to be broken and thus you get no accuracy when you're trying to insert a clip or a generator this way.

The snap indicators show up, but as long as you're holding Ctrl+Shift, it doesn't snap as expected.

I am on Windows, and don't know if this is also how it behaves on macOS.

Hello,

Here under windows 10 + V15 beta 8 everything works properly
Drag from viewer source or CTRL + DRAG: the inserted clip overlaps clips already placed on the TL


CTRL + SHIFT + DRAG: the inserted clip is inserted in addition to clips already placed on the TL

You're GIF's are actually showing the problem, Jean Claude. Snapping doesn't work for Insert, only for Overwrite.

Jim Simon wrote:You're GIF's are actually showing the problem, Jean Claude. Snapping doesn't work for Insert, only for Overwrite.

Do not agree Jim,
CTRL + SHIFT + DRAG extends the duration of the TL: it is an addition and not an Overwrite.

I wrote about this when we got beta 7, which appears to be an associated issue...

See: https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=76996

Unfortunately I hit a brick wall from support...

Go to the last post to see it fully explained. Maybe a few more comments on it might get something to happen

Cheers...

easycass wrote:I wrote about this when we got beta 7, which appears to be an associated issue...

See: https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=76996

Unfortunately I hit a brick wall from support...

Go to the last post to see it fully explained. Maybe a few more comments on it might get something to happen

Cheers...

Hello,

Simple comment:
It's still a beta .. and a beta is not a release ...It remains always and always evolves ... until the release

Jean Claude wrote:Hello,

Simple comment:
It's still a beta .. and a beta is not a release ...It remains always and always evolves ... until the release

Hi Jean Claude, thank you for your 'simple comment'. Of course, that point is appreciated, and that is why I gave the feedback in the beta forum. When I contacted support on this, they gave me the following reply: -

The development team has confirmed that the behaviour seen in beta 7 is by design.
However, we are always open to feedback from our customers, and the team will monitor the feedback.

So, I feel it best to continue to give them feedback...

easycass wrote:

Jean Claude wrote:Hello,

Simple comment:
It's still a beta .. and a beta is not a release ...It remains always and always evolves ... until the release

Hi Jean Claude, thank you for your 'simple comment'. Of course, that point is appreciated, and that is why I gave the feedback in the beta forum. When I contacted support on this, they gave me the following reply: -

The development team has confirmed that the behaviour seen in beta 7 is by design.
However, we are always open to feedback from our customers, and the team will monitor the feedback.

So, I feel it best to continue to give them feedback...

Hello,

You're absolutely right: as long as we're not in release: everything can evolve.

Jean Claude wrote:

Jim Simon wrote:You're GIF's are actually showing the problem, Jean Claude. Snapping doesn't work for Insert, only for Overwrite.

Do not agree Jim,
CTRL + SHIFT + DRAG extends the duration of the TL: it is an addition and not an Overwrite.

He said SNAPPING does not work. Which is true, it doesn't for the insert edit. He wasn't disputing that insert editing works overall.

Jean Claude wrote:Do not agree Jim

Look at the GIFs. In the first one, you see the snapping indicators appear. In the second, they don't.

Hi there, so I know this is slightly different from the main issue of this thread, but I think it is associated with it. Here are three GIFs that show the three modes of operation we had prior to beta 7: -

1. Ctrl-Shift-Drag - Full clip ripple move - Place your clip between other clips



2. Ctrl-Alt-Drag - Partial clip ripple with snapping on - Place anywhere and snap between clips



3. Ctrl-Alt-Drag with snapping off - Partial clip ripple - Place your clip anywhere



If you look at the first GIF, just see how useful and easy it 'was' to shuffle a clip between other clips. The above has been a feature at least from version 14 (see page 357 in the manual). In addition, the design was such that the modifier keys in feature 1 above also fitted in with the additional Ctrl-Shift- comma and period used to shift a whole clip left and right.

From beta 7 onwards we have lost entirely feature 1, and now Ctrl-Shift-Drag is changed to replicate what we had before with Ctrl-Alt-Drag.

I dunno, just seems like a loss of a very nice little feature to me.

easycass wrote:I dunno, just seems like a loss of a very nice little feature to me.

I think it's the loss of quite an important feature. Taking away this feature will decrease the confidence in making a clean swap, forcing you to pay more attention to the process than previously necessary. It needs to come back.

eikonoklastes wrote:

easycass wrote:I dunno, just seems like a loss of a very nice little feature to me.

I think it's the loss of quite an important feature. Taking away this feature will decrease the confidence in making a clean swap, forcing you to pay more attention to the process than previously necessary. It needs to come back.

Yes, I find it now particularly hard to ensure I have released the mouse button just at the right time when shuffling a clip. One has to zoom in before doing the move, even with the snapping enabled, to ensure one drops the clip 'between' and not mistakenly 'on top' of another clip. One now has to be so much more precise. It was just so much easier before.

What I just don't understand is that we haven't gained a new feature. They have just deleted some functionality and assigned one of the previously available functions to that key combination. In terms of logic, we had functions A, B and C; function A, arguably the most useful, was deleted, and function B is now assigned as function A. It doesn't make sense at all.

Let's hope the developers hear our hopes...