Need Fusion help with scaling workflow - 4k in HD timeline

In the EDIT tab, If I place my indicator on single 4k clip on a HD timeline and then select the Fusion tab, that clip opens up in Fusion as what I believe is a 4k window or composition. Honouring source footage dimensions as per the manual.
My frame format in Fusion Settings is HD 1920 x 1080 but this does not seem to do anything?
What would be the best way to see a HD frame reference so I can scale and position the 4K footage where I want within a HD frame.
There does not seem to be any safe area indicators in Fusion??
Do I have to make a HD safe area graphic and bring that in each time??? seems very clunky if I do...

Now, to my major problem that I cannot seem to solve...

If I have 2 x 4k clips that I want to bring into fusion and composite together I have to select them and create a fusion clip.
This clip then opens up in Fusion as a HD 1920 x 1080 comp and you cannot utilise the full resolution of the 4K clips. If you scale the 4k clips down to fit in the "Fusion clip" in the EDIT tab, you lose the scaling capabilities you have with 4k footage in a HD timeline.

Hope I have explained my issue clearly and would love to know the correct workflow.
Cheers

I got the same issue...

Being relatively new to the resolve 15 workflow I hope I am missing something or there is a solution of some sort.
As the edit tabs functionality is to get shots in place (with audio that you cannot do in fusion) and often gather multiple shots that may make up 1 composited shot in total, the fact that you cannot easily maintain original source resolution is a real deal breaker for our hopeful transition from Adobe.

The Adobe bridge was always clunky but you could still place multiple shots at various resolutions on a premiere timeline, scale and roughly position them, then copy (command c) the group of shots you need and paste them directly to an empty After FX composition. The shots would come in to the AE composition with original resolution and at the same timecode as the premiere timeline and would also have any rough scalings or sizings that you have done in premiere carry through to AE, even quite a few plugin settings etc.
Would love someone to help solve this, I cannot even create a 4k timeline in my HD project to provide a workaround.
As I mentioned our facility will not be able to make the transition to Adobe based on this issue.

Hope to here from someone who really knows their stuff

Can anyone help?

Just before MediaOut insert a Merge with a background generator node connected to the background input and your composition connected to foreground. So your entire composition is placed on the canvas that you define with the background generator.

Thanks for the reply George but my problem is not Fusion output but actually getting 2x 4k clips as a composite into fusion while working in a HD project. Have had a go at your suggestion, hopefully I have done it correctly. (The background has been set to 4k)
I have attached 2 images...
1 is the edit tab with a HD timeline with 2 4k shots... you can see the transform indicators showing the complete frame of the shots.
2 is the fusion comp (with a 4K BG node as suggested) and I still do not have the complete frame/resolution of
the original shot, it is cropped. If I reduce the shots in the edit tab 50% to get all of the shot then when I scale the shot up in fusion it goes soft because I am noe blowing up a HD shot. I must add this is not the case for a single shot brought into fusion as you do not have to create a Fusion Comp which is forced to the projects resolution.

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HI Paul, I don't completely understand... why the Transform nodes? You shouldn't need them.
Try this - start the flow with a Background loader (instead of at the end), then insert a Merge for each shot, and use the Merge scale and position.

HI Paul, I don't completely understand... why the Transform nodes? You shouldn't need them.
Try this - start the flow with a Background loader (instead of at the end), then insert a Merge for each shot, and use the Merge scale and position.
If your timeline is HD and you never need to go to 4k, the background loader should be in timeline format.

Acutally - never mind - I tried the same with a 4k clip, it comes in as HD in the fusion tab, regardless if the timeline is 4k or HD.
I don't have the answer for that..

Thanks George for trying.
The fact that fusion does not maintain the source resolution of 2 clips brought into fusion via a fusion comp is a massive issue for us.
As I mentioned a regular adobe workflow for us is...
Get a couple of 4k shots plus a few larger than HD res graphics etc and edit them to time or audio in a sequence... then you can copy them directly to AE for final compositing without loss of scaling capabilities.

I am at a loss, to me this makes the really great and exciting concept of Edit/Fusion integration not usable for us. Really hope this changes or someone can assist with a solution.

Cheers

there is light at the end of the tunnel...
Making a Fusion Connect clip and then go to the Fusion tab imports media at source resolution.
Just clicking on the Fusion tab limits the media to HD.
That is super weired...

I do have Fusion standalone installed - might be necessary for that to work.

I think the problem is the processing chain for integrated Fusion. Resolve will bring everything into Fusion at timeline resolution.
Fusion Connect works with the standalone version, which doesn't have that limitation.

Even in a UHD timeline media in Fusion is still limited to HD.
When I change both timeline and viewing to UHD, make a Fusion Clip, then click on the fusion tab, media is 4k.

Thanks but looks like there is still no work around.
It would be great if you could have different resolution timelines in the one project then this could be the easy way around things.

I must make myself clear though... I am only talking about multiple clips..
If you just have your time indicator over a 4 k clip in EDIT then go to fusion that 1 clip will come in and it will be 4K.
Then George, your Background node operation is really cool as you can get your canvas back down to HD and know your correct work area/final project resolution to work in.
Cheers