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Hi,

Does anyone know why a copied clip won't be pasted at the play head position,
but (randomly) anywhere in the timeline?? This is kind of bad.

Jeff

they should be at the position of the playhead unless you have placed an in or out marker on the timeline, in which case it will be placed according to those

Tom Early wrote:they should be at the position of the playhead unless you have placed an in or out marker on the timeline, in which case it will be placed according to those

No ins and outs. No markers at all.

in that case you should read this

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=71894

and then consider posting a screen recording

One other thing to consider is whether you're copying and pasting to different positions on the same track or to a different track, and whether you have any connected audio. When doing copy-paste between two different tracks you need to be sure you've got the track headers set up correctly (you want auto-select enabled in the track you're copying to and be sure it's turned off on other potential destination tracks).

See this tutorial for example: https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/using- ... -controls/

This is also happening to me, which is a nightmare.
Copied content goes pasted at the IN point instead of the Playhead.
I must always delete the in - out point (alt-x), Paste the content, and then set again the In-Out point, which is ridiculous.

I had this happen last week trying to paste Title clips around to keep the size/font/etc and just change the text as needed. I just clicked the clip, pressed ALT and slid the new clip anywhere I wanted...so much quicker than stone age copy/pasting anyway.

RKHAAS: Your method is fine for titles or simple copy&paste.

Many of us use massively the In-Out markers to select the fragment of the clips we wish to copy, and ALT+drag doesn't work with fragmented selections, only with the whole clip.

studio1492 wrote:This is also happening to me, which is a nightmare.
Copied content goes pasted at the IN point instead of the Playhead.
I must always delete the in - out point (alt-x), Paste the content, and then set again the In-Out point, which is ridiculous.

This is the intended behavior. If you set in-and-out points on your timeline, they override the playhead as a destination for pasting a clip. See page 427 of the manual (Chapter 22: Modifying Clips in the Timeline):

"To cut or copy part of a clip to paste elsewhere:
1 Set In and Out points to isolate the part of the clip you want to cut or copy. You can use the Auto Select controls to include or omit clip segments on specific tracks while you do this.
2 Press Command-X to cut or Command-C to copy that clip segment.
3 Clear the In and Out points by pressing Option-X. Otherwise, you’ll paste the clip
segment right back into the same place it started.
4 Move the playhead to the frame of the Timeline you want the pasted clip to start, and use the Paste or Paste Insert commands to paste the clip segment there.
You can also use In and Out points to paste only a partial segment of a much longer clip that you’ve cut or copied."

Yes, it's intended behavior, but the playhead position "should" override an in-point. It's too easy to forget to perform alt-x before every paste. And there are instance where clearing the in/out points is not wanted, so it's added work (clearing, then re-setting).

IMHO the playhead should override an in-point. Or at list to have the option on user preferences.
Can anyone argument a reason to give preference to the in-point against playhead?

studio1492 wrote:Can anyone argument a reason to give preference to the in-point against playhead?

In traditional 4 point editing (source/destination) workflows, In and Out Points always supersede (or take precedence over) the Playhead.

The Playhead is intended merely for auditioning purposes, while In and Out Points are dedicated exclusively to range selection, and manipulating that range (or a portion of the range) across Tracks, Timelines, and Projects.

studio1492 wrote:IMHO the playhead should override an in-point. Or at list to have the option on user preferences.
Can anyone argument a reason to give preference to the in-point against playhead?

Nobody's arguing that this should be the case for three-point editing, but it should be the case for four-point editing (where you have in AND out points in the timeline) as Reynaud just described above. See chapter 23 of the manual, which covers three- and four-point editing. The playhead acts as the in-point when you're doing three-point editing, but for four-point editing the in-out range supersedes the playhead.

A paste is a different type of edit -- am not sure that the notion of 3 or 4 point edits is relevant. In this one instance, it makes sense to use the playhead as the reference, as is common in other NLEs.

John Paines wrote:A paste is a different type of edit -- am not sure that the notion of 3 or 4 point edits is relevant. In this one instance, it makes sense to use the playhead as the reference, as is common in other NLEs.

Not only all major NLEs paste at playhead, Fairlight also pastes at playhead, which is great!

The issue in my case is that I'm not used anymore to 4 point edit, I've been pasting at playhead for more than a decade, all started with grandpa FCP which was a 3 point edit system, as far as I know.

It would be great to have it as an option: a switch somewhere in Preferences to altern between both methods. Or perhaps I'lll get used soon to alt-X. I've been practicing with it, and now I see the point of the 4-point system, which seems great too.

Resolve pastes at the in/out marker as a priority, then the timeline cursor, the same paste behaviour as Avid Media Composer. Some people like cursor priority, some prefer in/out mark priority. A user preference option would be useful.

I've found a great solution to avoid this issue, and the way Resolve may handle it::

"When the In/Out markers match with the original timeline position of the contents copied on the clipboard , then paste the contents on the Playhead instead In/out markers"

This will avoid to copy the clipboard contents over itself.

I'll post it on the Request thread.

Peter Cave wrote:Resolve pastes at the in/out marker as a priority, then the timeline cursor, the same paste behaviour as Avid Media Composer. Some people like cursor priority, some prefer in/out mark priority. A user preference option would be useful.

That priority order is true of insert and overwrite edits with virtually all NLEs. But cut/paste is a different kind of operation. My Avid days go back a few years, so I honesty don't remember. But it would be surprising to learn it behaves like Resolve here, which is the outlier. When you cut/paste, the playhead is natural set point where the action occurs.

John Paines wrote:

Peter Cave wrote:Resolve pastes at the in/out marker as a priority, then the timeline cursor, the same paste behaviour as Avid Media Composer. Some people like cursor priority, some prefer in/out mark priority. A user preference option would be useful.

That priority order is true of insert and overwrite edits with virtually all NLEs. But cut/paste is a different kind of operation. My Avid days go back a few years, so I honesty don't remember. But it would be surprising to learn it behaves like Resolve here, which is the outlier. When you cut/paste, the playhead is natural set point where the action occurs.

Yes, Avid pastes the same as Resolve. Always been this way.

I'm used to pasting at playhead too.

But I get the in/out mark priority.

Maybe a shortcut or dropdown menu that paste at playhead?

The problem with the mark in/out override as the place where the clip is pasted, is that a lot of us began on Avid 25 years ago, and through every NLE since we have used mark in to record where we are in the timeline, while then moving somewhere else to paste a clip 'at the play head' before then returning to that marked-in point, to continue editing there.

This provides a rapid way to move back and forth along the timeline, and for those of you who don't use the mark-in to record where you were, how on Earth do you navigate the timeline quickly between two points and instantly get back to where you were?

Blackmagic unilaterally trying to re-invent the wheel here is a fail in my experienced book. I might mind less if I'd been given a different alternative to play with to achieve the same result, but I now have to re-find my place in the time line hundreds & hundreds of time per feature-length edit. If it weren't for the grading, I would edit in something else just because of this one point.

paultom wrote:The problem with the mark in/out override

It gets even more cumbersome when you mark a timeline area to copy, then attempt to paste it. If you don't unintuitively clear the in/outs first (and there may be reasons for not wanting to do so), you'll paste over what you just copied. Playhead position is meaningless. Happens every time....

But as you can see, unhappiness with this design goes back a few years. You might add this one to the feature requests above, I don't know if anyone else ever did.

Seeing a nearly 4-year thread about pasting clips at playhead is not what I expected when trying to find an easy solution for a rather common task.

Please, make this an option and do not force us to take a 4-step process for a simple C&P. Thanks!

+1 for an option to paste at playhead even when you have in/out points set.

I use in and out points all the time to quickly locate to positions on the timeline (more than to perform 3-points edits actually), and I want to be able to keep my in and out points regardless of if I want to paste stuff at a precise position (not being the in point). Alt-dragging is hardly a solution when you have very long or complex edits.

+1 for this.
Super weird that this is not a thing or at least an option to enable yet.

+1

Yet another preference is not required here. The typical order of timeline paste operations is mark/copy/paste. In no scenario would anyone seek to paste at the position just marked for the copy operation, and there would be no need to clear that in/out and mark another when you can simply paste at playhead position.

It could be so simple: In/out for 3 and 4 point edits, and playback position for timeline pastes. This wheel does not have to be reinvented, it's been rolling for years elsewhere.

+1

+1. I prefer to leave the In/Out points in place

+1 for an option to paste at playhead even with in & out points set.

Can someone link me to the feature request thread where this has been requested? Wasn't able to find it.

Would be nice - and easy - to add a command that does this and perhaps a default binding. Not Cmd+V but a modifier version

Seems as if this functionality has been added in 19.1 - great news! There's no on/off option though, clips are pasted to the playhead by default now.

Agreed, great that it has been added!

There are times though that pasting a clip between in/out is incredibly useful. If you used a clip further down the edit but want to put it earlier (whilst retaining stabilisation/effects/adjustments), and that space is smaller, then you need the in/out paste feature.

AFAIK this has been completely removed from v19.1 - it should be an option within the settings, to remove it seems drastic (unless I'm missing the menu option to paste between in/out!).

As noted earlier, having the ability to assign a keyboard shortcut to 'paste at playhead' or 'paste between in/out' doesn't seem unreasonable.

Optional shortcuts (or at least a shortcut to toggle the behavior) to paste where you need to (playhead vs in/out) would be welcome solutions.


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It is necessary to return the priority of mark in - out over playhead (As it was in the old versions). In version 19.1, a problem has appeared: It is now impossible to insert a copied clip (1 minute long) exactly between mark in-out (5 seconds). Mark-OUT does not limit the length of the clip, so a 1-minute clip is inserted where the playhead stands and overwrites everything on the timeline for 1 minute. Maybe I didn't figure it out right? Can you tell me how to insert a copied clip between mark IN-OUT?

I just ran into this problem and it has nothing to do with in out points or markers. If I try to past into the track it ends up about 10 minutes down the track pasted over other footage. Even if I set an in out range to try to paste it there it completely ignores it.

I think I just figured it out. Davinci is still copying from a locked and disabled track. Why can I still select and copy a locked track? This is absurd.

This is Resolve 19.1.4 build 11 on windows 10.