Scaling a 4:3 clip in a 16:9 timeline

In Premiere Pro, After Effects. or FCP, when placing a 4:3 clip on a 16:9 canvas/timeline, I was always able to scale the 4:3 clip so that its sides would reach the 16:9 sides (and beyond), running the top and bottom of the 4:3 clip off the canvas, so to say.

In Resolve, once the top and bottom of the 4:3 clip reach the top/bottom of the 16:9 canvas, it starts to crop the content inside of the 4:3 area of the clip, so I can't properly zoom the 4:3 clip to 16:9. What am I doing wrong here? Is there some sort of toggle that allows clips to be extended beyond the canvas borders, or something like that?

my 4:3 clip is 2464x1648 (the first Canon 1D), and I want to zoom into it on UHD canvas.
I started the project with a 2464x1648 canvas, and then changed it to UHD dimensions, so maybe that is the problem? But I can't imagine that I would have to create a whole new UHD project from scratch, just to import my lower resolution clips into for scaling them up.

I may just have found the "toggle" I was looking for. Is it that "Scaling" in the "Retime and Scaling" panel has to be set to "Fill"? It appears to have the desired effect for me, right now, but I don't fully understand the logic behind this not being the default. What constitutes "Project Settings", instead of "Fill", then, and where would one set the default for "Project Settings"?

Is that the same option that's called "Scale full frame with crop" in the "File > Project Settings > Image Scaling" panel drop-down?

If so, then that would solve it, and I would wish I hadn't asked that question in the first place, before having a bit more patience with trying to figure it out for myself. :-/

Yes, you need to play with those settings and find the one which does what you need. There should be one matching your needs.
Scaling with crop keeps source aspect. Fill doesn't necessarily keep source proportion, so they are definitely not the same.

I do this a lot with VHS to HD.
In the Media Pool I set Super Scale to 2x
I make an end node for each clip and call it output. In that I use Output sizing to set a Zoom that makes the vertical sizing how I need then add Left and Right Blanking to the vertical sides of the clip.
Make a still of that and add this to the last node. I still have the flexibility of edit sizing with other nodes.
For me the slight hick up is that the Output sizing settings (which work in Timeline mode) in the saved still do not seem to stick with when added to different timelines.

Alayne

[Peter Chamberlain]

I do this a lot with VHS to HD.
In the Media Pool I set Super Scale to 2x
I make an end node for each clip and call it output. In that I use Output sizing to set a Zoom that makes the vertical sizing how I need then add Left and Right Blanking to the vertical sides of the clip.
Make a still of that and add this to the last node. I still have the flexibility of edit sizing with other nodes.
For me the slight hick up is that the Output sizing settings (which work in Timeline mode) in the saved still do not seem to stick with when added to different timelines.

Alayne

Try using node sizing instead

Wow, I just now saw all these posts. Thanks so much for all the responses!

I’ll have to try the method using nodes in the next few days. I got it to work for now using a different scaling method (fill), but for more complex operations I was beginning to wonder whether a visit to Fusion might be in order.

So much more to learn.


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I make a preset for input sizing and then apply it to all my 4x3 clips in the bin, so they are presized to the right width and then adjust the pan and scan using the motion effect in the editor window.
I did wonder, with all the different ways of resizing in Resolve, is there a difference in quality depending on which option you use? Ignoring the supersize option which is meant to be better quality?
You can resize in the edit window, change the input sizing, and have various sizing option using nodes in the colour window. Do they all produce the same results?

They should do.

I thought they should but I did wonder if that was the reality.

"Try using node sizing instead" Thanks Peter, I have tried them all and each seemed to offer there own small issues for my workflow.
My timelines for this process are all SD 4 by 3 after Scene cut detect. So I have a standard node tree saved as the still. They have the last 3 nodes being Noise Reduction, Sharpen (both disabled and locked) and the last the Output Sizing for blanking and slight tilt. I get around the timeline issue by applying the previous timelines still to the first clip in the new timeline and resetting the 3 standard parameters before saving this as a new still.
Using enhanced 2x scaling, thanks for this it is great, works very well as I can live with losing a few scan lines at the top and bottom of the 4 by 3 frame.
The 2x scaling did not appear to me when I replied earlier did not seem quite as relevant to the original posters resizing needs. My, untested, opinion is that using 2x on all clips with clip attributes and then scaling down in a node could well be better than scaling once to an appropriate sizing (1.8x?) in the timeline.

Alayne

Super scale works only as 2x, 4x, etc.
Yes, scaling with super scale and then resizing down to desired resolution can be beneficial compared to simple resize.