DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on April 8

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DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on April 8

PostFri Apr 05, 2019 3:53 am

Wow need to wait 4 more days. But they outright imply something big

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Yeahhhh!

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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostFri Apr 05, 2019 7:09 am

I guess that's when we will get to play with the Beta. Hopefully there will be some information or a Grant Petty video before that.

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Will Blackmagic provide live streaming or video recording?
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 9:06 am

WOW! Can't wait!
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 9:44 am

Does it mean that Resolve's key feature is not anymore grading page :)
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I really hope this version has a "Go" button where it imports all video & audio, syncs it, edits the whole damn thing, does all the colour correction, grading & titles, uploads itself to the clients and sends an invoice to them whilst I'm at the pub.
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 10:32 am

I think this is the version that comes with a free Ursa mini pro G4.
And a bag of skittles.
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Lee Jackson wrote:I think this is the version that comes with a free Ursa mini pro G4.
And a bag of skittles.


Wow lol

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And I wonder whether our 12.5 dongles will still work....

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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostFri Apr 05, 2019 1:50 pm

The weird thing is none of those movies in the poster/banner were edited using Resolve. Graded, probably. VFX? Maybe. Regardless, it's a bit misleading.

I mean, I love Resolve, but I'm still not using it for editing. Maybe 16?
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 2:00 pm

They have advertised it as a revolution, I am quite excited as to what changes they have made.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostFri Apr 05, 2019 2:11 pm

Daz Wood wrote:They have advertised it as a revolution I am quite excited as to what changes they have made.


hmmmm..the last company who created a revolution in editing lost most of their high end user base.....just say'n. No slings and arrows required ;)
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostFri Apr 05, 2019 2:16 pm

Full version for free would be revolutionary :D

Have they bought any other companies that they can include in Resolve?

I think Editing has a bit of room to grow, integration with Fusion and Fairlight still has a bit to work on, and delivery to DCP has a lot of room for work. But I'm trying to find what would be revolutionary beyond those "fixes". Only other thing would be better control panel use during editing, or some other workflow shift.

They've already set a new standard for training, the materials are free and the exams are free, that is definitely revolutionary in this business.

Anyway, lots to speculate about and we will know soon enough. I would expect some kind of video on this, they are pretty good about making videos on products. And the videos are a great marketing tool that other companies should be following.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostFri Apr 05, 2019 2:21 pm

Greg Huson wrote:Regardless, it's a bit misleading.


Obviously I don't mean you... being that you're already a Resolve user and know what's up :) but when I hear someone say "misleading" I usually think of, simple or gullible.

As a marketing guy, and having a love for single page marketing strategies. I take away from BMD's home page teaser as, " We've been apart of Hollywood's biggest films in many aspects. Now we're going to make everyone rethink editing."

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Elastic timeline ?

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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 2:49 pm

A flexible interface would be good, and revolutionary in Resolve terms. But whatever, R is a great app getting better on a very regular basis.
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Wish I were going to NAB to see the release, but I’ve experienced Vegas enough for now. Looking forward to hearing from those that are there for insight.
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 3:25 pm

I have inside info that 16 will come with Walter Volpatto included in the studio+ version so you dont have to do the grading anymore. Its taken care of. Hence the focus on editing.
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 5:02 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Does it mean that Resolve's key feature is not anymore grading page :)


It's starting to feel that way, isn't it? :)
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 5:13 pm

What new features can they add to the grading part? It seems to have most everything that's needed already there and sorted out.
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@ Greg
drive Baselight and Nucoda for a day or two and get back to us on that thought
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Dermot Shane wrote:@ Greg
drive Baselight and Nucoda for a day or two and get back to us on that thought


Ok...so since that's not a realistic option, why don't you tell us what specific features you wish were implemented in Resolve that are currently possible in Baselight and Nucoda?
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Kays Alatrakchi wrote:
Dermot Shane wrote:@ Greg
drive Baselight and Nucoda for a day or two and get back to us on that thought


Ok...so since that's not a realistic option, why don't you tell us what specific features you wish were implemented in Resolve that are currently possible in Baselight and Nucoda?


There's an educational version of Nucoda available now...
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 6:00 pm

Not sure what can possibly be revolutionized in editing. Editing doesn't need a revolution, just tools that work. Anything short of BM buying Avid's Media Composer business and integrating it into Resolve will be a letdown. I know it's a ridiculous bar to set but having been an editor for 25 years and having tested and worked on all platforms (and I do mean all: how many here have edited on LightWorks in 1998?) none, but absolutely none, come even close to the tool set and ease of editing that Media Composer offers.

And as both a Media Composer loyalist and a Resolve aficionado I can only hope that an amalgamation of the two is in our future.
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 6:03 pm

I'm wondering whether the Tensor and ray-tracing cores of the RTX line from NVIDIA might be playing an important part in DR16's "revolution". Just a guess but when you have a product that has been largely "evolutionary", using the word "revolutionary" requires something pretty new and different.

With the integration of Fusion, the addition of the extra hardware services that RTX offers would indeed be a revolution (of sorts). Perhaps they've been working on Fusion functionality and will be throwing in hardware-supported raytracing and some other cool VFX feathers that otherwise would have gone into Fusion 10.
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 7:19 pm

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:
Dermot Shane wrote:@ Greg
drive Baselight and Nucoda for a day or two and get back to us on that thought


Ok...so since that's not a realistic option, why don't you tell us what specific features you wish were implemented in Resolve that are currently possible in Baselight and Nucoda?


Nucoda Academy (windozzze only) and Baselight Student (OSX only) are both only a download away
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this....
RCModelReviews wrote:I'm wondering whether the Tensor and ray-tracing cores of the RTX line from NVIDIA might be playing an important part in DR16's "revolution".
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Since I recently purchased a RTX Titan, I sure hope so....

Other than that I am hoping for better playback with OFX plugins. I have all of Boris and they are painfully slow most of the time.
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RCModelReviews wrote:I'm wondering whether the Tensor and ray-tracing cores of the RTX line from NVIDIA might be playing an important part in DR16's "revolution". Just a guess but when you have a product that has been largely "evolutionary", using the word "revolutionary" requires something pretty new and different.

With the integration of Fusion, the addition of the extra hardware services that RTX offers would indeed be a revolution (of sorts). Perhaps they've been working on Fusion functionality and will be throwing in hardware-supported raytracing and some other cool VFX feathers that otherwise would have gone into Fusion 10.


pretty likely since theres been a few odd hints at this. I'd also suspect noise reduction could also benifit from tensor cores.

as for editing .... hmmm... voice recognition to generate transcripts, get better ripple editing mode thats like FCP X but w/o the problems, and make the panels positionable. if you run with main monitor on left, secondary on right its a bit of a mess right now in V15

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Tony Hailstone wrote:I really hope this version has a "Go" button where it imports all video & audio, syncs it, edits the whole damn thing, does all the colour correction, grading & titles, uploads itself to the clients and sends an invoice to them whilst I'm at the pub.


Looking at the pace of development BMD has been achieving, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was actually the road map to DR 18. If anyone could pull it off, Grant can!
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RCModelReviews wrote:I'm wondering whether the Tensor and ray-tracing cores of the RTX line from NVIDIA might be playing an important part in DR16's "revolution". Just a guess but when you have a product that has been largely "evolutionary", using the word "revolutionary" requires something pretty new and different.

With the integration of Fusion, the addition of the extra hardware services that RTX offers would indeed be a revolution (of sorts). Perhaps they've been working on Fusion functionality and will be throwing in hardware-supported raytracing and some other cool VFX feathers that otherwise would have gone into Fusion 10.



Nvidia has a blog post out that said that Blackmagic Design is going to be working on integrating the Tensor cores.

Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve: World’s most popular color-grading application, using Turing Tensor Cores in Resolve 15 to accelerate AI inferencing for graphics enhancement.


This says resolve 15, except there was no update that claimed that increased performance using the tensor cores so it's probably going to be in 16

Source https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/turing-industry-support/
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 8:14 pm

Will be something as simple as 3d rendering or prores for windows (now that Adobe had it implemented). That will throw a wrench on the Macintosh sales.... LOL.

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Then there better be an AMD equivalent, or there's going to be a lot of upset customers, especially those who have bought the BMD eGPU with Radeons in it.
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An AMD equivalent is going to depend on AMD to implement it. bMD can't implement software to use hardware that doesn't exist...
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 9:03 pm

Some big hopes here for V16. I think new features will be way less advanced or innovative. Those adverts are just pr slogans :)
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 9:26 pm

i´d like

better alpha behaivor on compound clips that involve text. text+, png images, or any alpha images...
a fx layer ( a la Adjustment layer)
and the psoibility to custom hotkeys for mouse wheel and aditional mouse buttons.
EX. i´d like to zoom in/out horizontal timeline just with mouse wheel. not using crtl or cmd.

try to equalize hotkeys between fairlight, edit, and fusion, better pssible.

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Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Does it mean that Resolve's key feature is not anymore grading page :)


I think it means its key feature is color grading PLUS lots of other good stuff. :)
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PostFri Apr 05, 2019 10:34 pm

I guessing

1.some kind of remote editing so you can remote edit from a laptop and have a good computer home and access it everywhere ( you can play games like that) and resolve also has a cloud service with machines. Only in studio version maybe a mobile app also.


2.Maybe some kind of machine learning that detect good shoot , not shaking , in focus or maybe some speech -> for dialogs so you can’t edit with text to make you dialog. Something that handles the footage

3. What are they missing, they have premiere , after effects, audition, media encoder in one software maybe illustrator, photoshop, character animation,
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jonas18z wrote:I guessing.../// ... What are they missing, they have premiere , after effects, audition, media encoder in one software maybe illustrator, photoshop, character animation,


can you picture this? " Blackmagic Design announce that it acquires Affinitty Software, Affinity Designer and affinity Photo..!
OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!! Adobe shits in his pants! hahahahahaha...

well... back to reallity! very exciting for DR16
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostSat Apr 06, 2019 1:17 am

What does avid have that keep tv and film producers on it?

1- maybe text to speech?

2-text search?

3- script upload?

4- Avid type bins?

4-............

Maybe better AMD radeon,vega support for h264 encoding

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PostSat Apr 06, 2019 1:34 am

Piotr Wozniacki wrote:And I wonder whether our 12.5 dongles will still work....

I have my original Resolve 8 dongle (and actually used 7 for an employer before that).

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PostSat Apr 06, 2019 3:10 am

I think they're going after Avid. Almost all of those films on that image were cut in Avid...but graded in Resolve.

"You're already finishing in Resolve, but what if you could start there too..." or something to that effect.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostSat Apr 06, 2019 3:32 am

Daz Wood wrote: hey have advertised it as a revolution


Hi.

The most revolutionary I can think of will be a what I will call a Resolve Thin Client, so you can connect to the Cloud.

I don't know if they have maked an agreement with nVideas Geforce Now or Googles Stadia. Both are Gaming streaming Services, but what is the difference on running a Game or Resolve from the cloud.

If you don't want to pay a user fee to either nVidea Now or Google Stadia can you of course connect to your own DaVinci Resolve Server. So each user don't have to use a normal PC with a fixed number of resources, such as CPU, CUDA cores and fast SSD's, but dynamically can get the required resources from a shared server.

But what I expect is, a nVidea Hardware decoding of 8K RED Files inside Resolve.

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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostSat Apr 06, 2019 3:33 am

Nate Porter wrote:
Nvidia has a blog post out that said that Blackmagic Design is going to be working on integrating the Tensor cores.

Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve: World’s most popular color-grading application, using Turing Tensor Cores in Resolve 15 to accelerate AI inferencing for graphics enhancement.


This says resolve 15, except there was no update that claimed that increased performance using the tensor cores so it's probably going to be in 16

Source https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/turing-industry-support/


Resolve 15 has cudnn64 lib included, so *something* is using it.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostSat Apr 06, 2019 4:40 am

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jonas18z wrote:I guessing.../// ... What are they missing, they have premiere , after effects, audition, media encoder in one software maybe illustrator, photoshop, character animation,


can you picture this? " Blackmagic Design announce that it acquires Affinitty Software, Affinity Designer and affinity Photo..!
OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!! Adobe shits in his pants! hahahahahaha...

well... back to reallity! very exciting for DR16

I love how everyone thinks Affinity Photo and Designer are legit rivals to Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator.

If they were, Adobe would have already lost a huge chunk of their customers, due to the aggressive pricing ($50 each), but this has yet to happen.

There's a reason for that. Trying to collaborate with Photoshop and Illustrator users with Affinity is an exercise in frustration. Unsupported Feature/Adjustment Layer, etc. etc. warning messages with mangled documents or layers that don't even show up (they're there, you just can't see them - they look blank, etc.).

Do you do realize that there have been tons of cheap alternatives to Photoshop and Illustrator with feature sets at least as deep as Affinity Photo and Designer... for like... decades; yet Adobe still enjoys their current market position?

It is hard to unseat industry leaders once they establish themselves this much. It is like competing with Microsoft Office, except in the graphics design market. WordPerfect Office is totally usable, as is LibreOffice... How much fear do you think they strike in the heart of Microsoft? I'm guessing not much.

CorelDraw is a lot better than Affinity Designer, easily. But no one seems to want to use it - probably because they don't want to pay Pro Price for Pro Software. Hype seems to go up as prices go down - regardless of whether or not the software in question is even a viable replacement for what you're currently using, and how you use that software.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostSat Apr 06, 2019 5:14 am

Rakesh Malik wrote:
Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Does it mean that Resolve's key feature is not anymore grading page :)


It's starting to feel that way, isn't it? :)
Conform for color would be a lot easier if my clients were editing in Resolve already, so I welcome any work BMD does to make it a more commonly used editing tool.

However, I also think that the only "revolutionary" NLE is FCPX. All the rest are using the same old manual track based (rather than metadata based) editing paradigm. I doubt BMD will copy FCPX, but I'd be happy to be pleasantly surprised.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostSat Apr 06, 2019 5:46 am

Trensharo wrote:
Adrian Mcyorian wrote:
jonas18z wrote:I guessing.../// ... What are they missing, they have premiere , after effects, audition, media encoder in one software maybe illustrator, photoshop, character animation,


can you picture this? " Blackmagic Design announce that it acquires Affinitty Software, Affinity Designer and affinity Photo..!
OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!! Adobe shits in his pants! hahahahahaha...

well... back to reallity! very exciting for DR16

I love how everyone thinks Affinity Photo and Designer are legit rivals to Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator.

If they were, Adobe would have already lost a huge chunk of their customers, due to the aggressive pricing ($50 each), but this has yet to happen.

There's a reason for that. Trying to collaborate with Photoshop and Illustrator users with Affinity is an exercise in frustration. Unsupported Feature/Adjustment Layer, etc. etc. warning messages with mangled documents or layers that don't even show up (they're there, you just can't see them - they look blank, etc.).

Do you do realize that there have been tons of cheap alternatives to Photoshop and Illustrator with feature sets at least as deep as Affinity Photo and Designer... for like... decades; yet Adobe still enjoys their current market position?

It is hard to unseat industry leaders once they establish themselves this much. It is like competing with Microsoft Office, except in the graphics design market. WordPerfect Office is totally usable, as is LibreOffice... How much fear do you think they strike in the heart of Microsoft? I'm guessing not much.

CorelDraw is a lot better than Affinity Designer, easily. But no one seems to want to use it - probably because they don't want to pay Pro Price for Pro Software. Hype seems to go up as prices go down - regardless of whether or not the software in question is even a viable replacement for what you're currently using, and how you use that software.


well i work on advertisement design company, lots of designers are using affinity over illustrator and the company buy a few licences, designers working on affinity work faster and easier! and i know others companies are thinking about switch... i know affinity is still on development and adobe y far away but today affinity is the only software that seems be serious compoetitor... Corel is powerfull but it look so 1998.
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