DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on April 8

Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

16 Requires a Database upgrade, so I'm not sure if that's possible.

Maybe using different user accounts, since the settings are now in the user directory (so you won't have to point your R16 install to the dblist.conf file in the ProgramData folder)?

It does install to the same Program Files directory as Resolve 15, and uses the same ProgramData folder, though... So that may be a problematic bit

First can be changed during installation, second cannot be changed.

Vegas just have unlucky and very complicated history. It was started as simple editor

I'm almost certain Sonic Foundry's Vegas started as a well-featured Audio Editor, actually, and later morphed into a most capable and lean AV NLE by the late 90's.

and later resold many times to many different companies that try to improve it to modern reality without large success.

You're right about Vegas sell-offs, although you greatly overstated the frequency (as that only occurred twice).

I do recall Sinic Foundry Vegas' early days after it added video editing capability and some years later, SONY purchased assets from Sonic Foundry which included Vegas and Soundforge; And yes, SONY eventually sold those and other assets to Magix several years ago.

Despite comparatively niché market appeal, Vegas had in fact, enjoyed huge developmental improvements and with cutting edge features, often bringing in that regard, numerous industry firsts to the A/V NLE space while retaining somewhat reasonable pricing.

Personally, I've suspended upgrading my (formerly Sony) software licenses at the dodgy version 12 of Vegas Pro Suite, in part due to the gymnastics one had to jump through to select or create the most beneficial template for respectable balance between speedy rendering with clean results Vegas is long known for.

Its original GUI actually don't have a GUI, it just use native Windows skin, but only in last versions draws another skin over it and makes things slower.

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Oh! Well *that* certainly explains the rather crude look of Vegas' GUI for nearly 2 decades. That archaic 1980s-looking Vegas GUI (until recently) disturbed me to the end I felt I was sitting in front of an editor on the Commodore Amiga 4000 platform.

[I used Vegas Pro] in early days and was really happy because it was like all in one simple solution. Flexible full featured video + audio editor and even 3D transforms for more complicated compositing like After Effects or Fusion can do.

Totally the same experience here, Dmitry, and to be forthright I have been considering lately, possibly dropping some coin on upgrading those formerly-Sony programs to their Magix interpretations but only if crazy-good upgrade pricing is offered for Vegas Pro Suite (and most preferably although highly unlikely with SpectraLayers Pro included).

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Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

better just to use dual-boot, I can't see it being a priority for them to add

There has been a pretty nice increase in "Make it like VEGAS"-inspired feature suggestions the past month or two... Interesting trend, but I think a lot of people doing this don't understand why VEGAS behaves the way it does, and why 75% of these are more applicable to the Fairlight Page than the Editing Page.

Not that I don't think Vegas is sweet and everything....
But, considering its popularity, spread and usage across professional industries, usual target users and amount of time it switched hands in the past 20 years - should anything really be more Vegas-like?

VEGAS Pro has switched hands twice. Once from Sonic Foundry to Sony (at version 4... around 2003) and then to MAGIX (after version 13, around 2015-16?).

It has switched ownership a whopping 1x more than DaVinci Resolve, Fairlight, and Fusion.

VEGAS was quite popular in the past. It was basically the Final Cut Pro X of the Windows ecosystem. Maybe not super popular in the high end Film Production market, but it was pretty early in supporting a lot of features we take for granted today. Mixed format/framerate timeline editing. Real-Time Effects (Render-less) playback. They were probably the first NLE to support 4K (certainly one of the first), 3D Video (that turned out well), etc. They were very early to support R3D and some other (fairly popular) formats (like 4K XAVC).

It's actually a really deep NLE, since it was developed as both an Audio and Video Editor, with small slices of a compositing app built-in. It also has great support for Windows APIs, which we don't tend to get from cross platform applications.

VEGAS Pro supports things like RAW Camera Image formats and HEIF natively, simply by virtue of supporting the applicable Windows APIs. It can also use DirectShow Encoders and Decoders, so you don't need an application update to add support for formats if there is an Encoder/Decoder available for it to use. It has a lot of really good Audio Plug-Ins built-in, even if the UIs aren't super-modern. It supports DirectX as well as OpenFX and VST Plug-Ins, allowing it to share Plug-Ins (both ways) with other Windows products with good system support (like SONAR and others). It supports Media, Clip, and Track Effects for Audio and Video, as well as Adjustment Layers (not called that, but can function identically to them).

I think people underrate that software. A lot of the features that BMD added in recent versions of DaVinci Resolve were in VEGAS Pro for like a decade. No, it isn't a fantastic color grading solution (though the color correction is more than serviceable).

Unfortunately, it also happens to be one of the most undocumented NLEs, these days, and a lot of people gauge accessibility by the level of content available to aid in learning the software (contributing to people saying it's "too complicated to use" or "hard to learn"). Most people coming from VEGAS are basic users, at best, but they have latched onto some of the "Audio Editor" features which feel - to them - like major conveniences for video editing. The bad product documentation doesn't help matters, and authors stopped writing VEGAS Pro books around version 11 or so. A LOT has been added since then.

Yes, there are dozens of features in VEGAS Pro that would be useful to have in Resolve. However, when making a suggestion, you have to account for how Resolve is designed as an overall system and aim that suggestion in the correct general direction. Otherwise, it can come across as nonsensical.

Excellent clarifying and correcting points Hector!
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Vegas just have unlucky and very complicated history. It was started as simple editor

I'm almost certain Sonic Foundry's Vegas started as a well-featured Audio Editor, actually, and later morphed into a most capable and lean AV NLE by the late 90's.

Yes, I confirm.

Cut page = FCP X

Useless page for most of people...

Nay, but O how powerfully useful a thing it is having the option of having *both* NLE editing paradigms to choose from -- as was brilliantly realized and fully exploited on my NewTek VideoToaster Flyer workstations decades ago, and later, VT[4 VT[5], TriCaster, SpeedEDIt and even Vegas Pro and more.

As stated in the online overview at YouTube.com, that Cut Page is [especially optimal for certain types of projects like] commercials [and such, requiring] quick project assembly and delivery. And fast it is.
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Still no OMFs...

Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

i have 15.3 and 16.0b1 running side by side
no issues so far

normal disclosures.. at your own risk / not supported / make DRP's / bak up databases / you have to make new database for v16 anyway / better not to experment if you have any deadlines

the machine i used is a backup and i can afford to have Resolve disfunctional on it and not lose any billable hours...

I love everything we just saw. Except maybe the battery grip. Too bulky.

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How bothered I am that the battery grip, hobbled by those 2 lousy Canon style batteries, only permits a puny 2 hours' recording time.

Contrarywise, Panasonic DMW-BLF19PP 7.2Volt 1860mAh batteries, I suspect, would've *rocked* longer, had BMD provided a means for BMPCC4K use with *those* puppies.

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Instead of simplify and improve Edit page they add that dumb Cut page. Not good.
BTW, other new features are really great!

That cut page looks amazing. I am really excited for it. Looks like you can edit in FCPX mode and traditional mode at the same time, or just hop over to the edit page for a more traditional feel. I like it.

Absolutely that Cut Page option for use is amazing and a prized addition in my estimation as well, Mike.

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I love everything we just saw. Except maybe the battery grip. Too bulky.

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How bothered I am that the battery grip, hobbled by those 2 lousy Canon style batteries, only permits a puny 2 hours' recording time.

Contrarywise, Panasonic DMW-BLF19PP 7.2Volt 1860mAh batteries, I suspect, would've *rocked* longer, had BMD provided a means for BMPCC4K use with *those* puppies.

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They don't, they hold two L series sony batteries.

Ricardo Marty

Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

better just to use dual-boot, I can't see it being a priority for them to add

I set up another user, and both version 15 and 16 work on my system!

However, I do have a problem with the 16 Beta: it cannot load its OFXes and when I activate them in Color page, it just vanishes.

Anyone else?

Piotr

PS. Oh, and it's not due to the fact that both versions are installed side -by-side, as when I installed the 16 for the very first time in the normal fashion (i.e. over-writing the older version), first time I launched the 16 it already showed this error with OpenFXes not loaded....

Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

better just to use dual-boot, I can't see it being a priority for them to add

I set up another user, and both version 15 and 16 work on my system!

However, I do have a problem with the 16 Beta: it cannot load its OFXes and when I activate them in Color page, it just vanishes.

Anyone else?

Piotr

PS. Oh, and it's not due to the fact that both versions are installed side -by-side, as when I installed the 16 for the very first time in the normal fashion (i.e. over-writing the older version), first time I launched the 16 it already showed this error with OpenFXes not loaded....

The problem you'll have now is that if something goes wrong, how can you possibly say it's because of the software and not your setup? Will be difficult to take bug reports seriously.

The problem you'll have now is that if something goes wrong, how can you possibly say it's because of the software and not your setup? Will be difficult to take bug reports seriously.

Tom,

Luckily, I have found the culprit and repaired my system; now both DR 16 and DR 15 (in another user account) both run flawlessly. I should have informed the Forum at once; sorry

Thanks

Piotr

I love everything we just saw. Except maybe the battery grip. Too bulky.

Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk

How bothered I am that the battery grip, hobbled by those 2 lousy Canon style batteries, only permits a puny 2 hours' recording time.

Contrarywise, Panasonic DMW-BLF19PP 7.2Volt 1860mAh batteries, I suspect, would've *rocked* longer, had BMD provided a means for BMPCC4K use with *those* puppies.

[Re]Pete

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They don't, they hold two L series sony batteries.

Ricardo Marty

Woah. The NAB Show demo suggested Canon batteries, no?

The problem you'll have now is that if something goes wrong, how can you possibly say it's because of the software and not your setup? Will be difficult to take bug reports seriously.

Tom,

Luckily, I have found the culprit and repaired my system; now both DR 16 and DR 15 (in another user account) both run flawlessly. I should have informed the Forum at once; sorry

Thanks

Piotr

Greetings, Piotr -- What was the culprit and how did you manage up get DR15 and DR16 to play nice on the same system?

Did you earlier have them both set up under the same User Account, then chose to separate them?

Hi Peter,

I set up another user account. But here viewtopic.php?f=21&t=88871&p=496491#p496491 you can find a more elegant way (scroll down for Dermot's post)

Piotr

Hi Peter,

I set up another user account. But here https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/view ... 91#p496491 you can find a more elegant way (scroll down for Dermot's post)

Piotr

÷1 Oh Ok. Thanks to you both.

Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

better just to use dual-boot, I can't see it being a priority for them to add

I set up another user, and both version 15 and 16 work on my system!

However, I do have a problem with the 16 Beta: it cannot load its OFXes and when I activate them in Color page, it just vanishes.

Anyone else?

Piotr

PS. Oh, and it's not due to the fact that both versions are installed side -by-side, as when I installed the 16 for the very first time in the normal fashion (i.e. over-writing the older version), first time I launched the 16 it already showed this error with OpenFXes not loaded....

Same thing happens in 15.2 and 15.3 for me on the Fusion Page. Application disappears off the screen when I try to put an OpenFX onteh canvas (not ResolveFX, but third party like NewBlue or Ignite).

Same thing happens in 15.2 and 15.3 for me on the Fusion Page. Application disappears off the screen when I try to put an OpenFX onteh canvas (not ResolveFX, but third party like NewBlue or Ignite).

Sorry guys - false alarm; I did find the last remnant of my (removed) NewBlue OFXes and now everyting is OK. I can run both 15 and 16 w/o problems!

Piotr

Sorry, I'm late to all the "revolution" - is there a way now to have both the 15 and 16 installed on the same system, side by side?

Piotr

I came across this video today.

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It should not to be traumatical!

See a little bit less space between controls and tracks uisng actual "free" space" for new options. Thinner playhead, and others details.

This timeline looks beautiful.
One thing I really really wish from BMD is change round corners from clips, make it as Media Composer, Premiere or Lightworks. <3

One thing I really really wish from BMD is change round corners from clips, make it as Media Composer, Premiere or Lightworks

I hope they don't. I actually prefer the Resolve 'look' over all those others.