DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on April 8

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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 12:13 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Exactly. Free is not always good thing.

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Oops, I agree. I do not want to keep crying for my 300 Euronen. If I get the same for zero bucks.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 12:16 pm

"Free Download" Resolve Studio 15 is also currently a free download... but you need to buy a dongle or serial number to use it!
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:00 pm

Hi.

As I remember did Black Magic Design suddenly have some patent issues with DNG Raw and exchanged it promptly with BRaw in the PCC 4K Camera.
I don't know 'who' have the right to DNG Raw, but I see this revolutionary upgrade in Resolve 16 as BMD's response to the patent claims.

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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:23 pm

Carsten Sellberg wrote:Hi.

As I remember did Black Magic Design suddenly have some patent issues with DNG Raw and exchanged it promptly with BRaw in the PCC 4K Camera.
I don't know 'who' have the right to DNG Raw, but I see this revolutionary upgrade in Resolve 16 as BMD's response to the patent claims.

Regards Carsten.

CDNG still works in 15.3 (I'm using it when I feel like recording RAW on my Shogun Inferno); do you mean it will cease in the 16?

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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:31 pm

So... any news about what`s shown ? isn`t 9AM PDT like now ?
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Rakesh Malik wrote:An AMD equivalent is going to depend on AMD to implement it. bMD can't implement software to use hardware that doesn't exist...



nah... Mac users knew exactly what they were buying.. a large paperweight for their desk. mac is dead.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:32 pm

ohimbz wrote:So... any news about what`s shown ? isn`t 9AM PDT like now ?


ouch... google time conversions.. you're way off.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:34 pm

I believe (at least google say so so it must be true), in about 2.5 hours from now
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:35 pm

ohimbz wrote:So... any news about what`s shown ? isn`t 9AM PDT like now ?

It's 9 am on the east coast (NY, Miami, etc.) It's still only 6 am in Vegas (Mountain Time).
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:42 pm

ohimbz wrote:So... any news about what`s shown ? isn`t 9AM PDT like now ?


It's around 6:45 in Vegas right now. I'll be heading over to the press conference at around 8:30.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:45 pm

Damn .. i was way off :D I used Google for the time conversion to Europe ...
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 1:48 pm

Trensharo wrote:You didn't collapse the workspace bar, which can be done by double clicking. You also didn't look at the inspectors and effects pallettes, which are far more space efficient in Premiere Pro.

Plus the space used by elements on the timeline.

In short, your comparison ignored far too much to be of any use. I saw it when you posted. It wasn't worth commenting.

You're thinking of somebody else because this is the post I was talking about.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=73341&start=50#p415235

I didn't have the workspace bar on in my comparison which uses even less space than if it were collapsed and I was matching the layout that Dustin showed in his post.

The Effects panel and Effects Controls weren't open in his Premiere screenshot so the Effects panel and Inspector weren't open in my Resolve screenshot. I did just compare them now though.

Effects Controls/Inspector
Premiere's uses about 15-20% fewer vertical pixels for the same effects stack but, I'd argue, is less readable. If we're talking efficient use of space, that's a tougher question. The reason Premiere uses less space is because you can hide all of the sliders. As soon as you unhide those sliders to show the same types of controls as Resolve, Premiere use about 54% more vertical space. Within that space, Resolve also gives you quick toggles for vertical and horizontally flipping the footage which are both separate effects in Premiere. I didn't include those when measuring Premiere's UI.

That's the vertical space of the actual panel. If I measured from the top of the screen, Resolve fairs a little better. In all cases though, Resolve uses about 22% more horizontal space though.

Effects Panel
Premiere can list more effects within the same space so it wins by that metric. Resolve has fewer effects to scroll though because it groups similar effects, includes more basic effects as properties of every clip, and it doesn't have to populate the area with color grading effects/presets and keying and compositing tools so it can be quicker to navigate. I'd argue that the speed of navigation is more important than space efficiency in this panel since you just want to grab an effect from it quickly and then get out.


Not saying there aren't improvement that can be made. I really hope they provide an option to integrate the Editing options in the toolbar into the program and source monitors and allow zooming by resizing the scroll bar. I also hope they allow tracks to be made smaller. But I find that comparisons of UIs, are often very incomplete and too focused on one very specific metric.

For example, I found that most of the time I spent in the Effects Panel in Premiere was to grab different transitions, the RGB Curves, the Crop effect, or the vertical and horizontal flip effect but I don't have to open the Effects panel to do any of that in Resolve. So is Resolve's effects panel really worse than Premiere's if I have to access it 90% less than I would in Premiere?

Carsten Sellberg wrote:Hi.

As I remember did Black Magic Design suddenly have some patent issues with DNG Raw and exchanged it promptly with BRaw in the PCC 4K Camera.
I don't know 'who' have the right to DNG Raw, but I see this revolutionary upgrade in Resolve 16 as BMD's response to the patent claims.

Regards Carsten.

That patent issue was only regards to CDNG's use in cameras, not in NLEs.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 3:15 pm

I just bought DR Studio 15 last week, and less than a week later I find out they’re announcing 16.

Regarding all the comments about Vegas. I’m one of those who are making the switch from Vegas. My reason for switching is that I can’t load a bunch of 4K 120fps files into Vegas from my Z Cam E2 without it crashing. That and the fact that when I open Vegas (and even when I reboot the computer) I’m bombarded with messages telling me to upgrade from Vegas Pro 15 to 16. Which would have cost me the same amount as buying Resolve Studio, and for just a few scripted features I already have in 3rd party plugins.

As for Resolve.. Being able to freely move audio and video tracks above and below one another like in Vegas is something Resolve really needs. Even just a hidden option in the preferences to allow it. Definitely something they need to include.

I shoot and edit music videos for a living. For every video I edit, I have the audio waveform of the song at the very top. Directly below that is my edit track, and then each track below that is a different video take I have synced to the music. With the edit track directly below the music waveform, I can easily edit to the peaks in the waveform, aligning cuts to drum hits etc. And dragging clips from the tracks below.

In Resolve I can’t edit like that. And to be honest, I’m struggling. With my edit track at the top, 12 or so video tracks of different video takes below that, and then the audio track of the music way down at the bottom, it’s tricky to line things up with such a large gap between the edit track and the music. I’m sure I’ll get used to it, but it is a pain. Oh, and the fact that they only show the top half of the waveform is annoying too. Makes it harder to see what is happening in the music. They just need to make it like the Fairlight page, which shows the full waveform.

Anyway, loving all the other features in Resolve that Vegas Pro has never had.

Looking forward to seeing what’s new in 16. Even having to wait another hour until 2am in the morning here in Sydney.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 3:23 pm

You can edit like that. Use the ALT select and move the audio tracks anywhere you like.

Your Resolve 15 license will include 16 17 18 and so on. BM have said a lot that once you purchase you get all future upgrades.

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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 3:26 pm

Glenn - those are interesting observations. It would be very helpful to hear from a Resolve expert who also uses Resolve for music video editing to answer your concerns (assuming such a person exists - you may be that person in a few weeks, lol).
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 3:37 pm

Colourberry wrote:You can edit like that. Use the ALT select and move the audio tracks anywhere you like.

Your Resolve 15 license will include 16 17 18 and so on. BM have said a lot that once you purchase you get all future upgrades.

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I'm also interested in this and checked it out just to see what I expected, it does not work. The only thing what might be a workaround is to align the two main tracks in the center. The Music Track on the top Audio Track and the main Video on the bottom Video Track. Thats the only way to have them directly underneath each other, but it's not the same overall in terms of workflow. I can understand what he wants, since I'm also used to this since I had done hundreds of Videos in Vegas...
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 4:14 pm

VPGTube wrote:
Colourberry wrote:You can edit like that. Use the ALT select and move the audio tracks anywhere you like.

Your Resolve 15 license will include 16 17 18 and so on. BM have said a lot that once you purchase you get all future upgrades.

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I'm also interested in this and checked it out just to see what I expected, it does not work. The only thing what might be a workaround is to align the two main tracks in the center. The Music Track on the top Audio Track and the main Video on the bottom Video Track. Thats the only way to have them directly underneath each other, but it's not the same overall in terms of workflow. I can understand what he wants, since I'm also used to this since I had done hundreds of Videos in Vegas...


can you not just use timeline markers? pretty simple.
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That "Cut" page looks strange
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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 4:52 pm

I like how several recent questions on the forum of "how do I do this really difficult thing" were coincidentally answered by new features in DR16. ;)
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Trensharo wrote:Also, the Dual Display mode is kind of broken. You can only surface the Windows taskbar by pressing the Windows key (no hovering, like in every other windows application I use), and the layout assumes Display 2 is Left of Display 1. If your second display is tot he right, then the layout of Display 2 is horizontally backwards - and there's no way of fixing this... because... truthfully, it lacks any and all manner of flexibility. You literally have to change your physical setup to remedy this, or just deal with it.


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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 4:58 pm

Object Removal looks VERY impressive based on that quick look.

See also facial recognition and smart bins / loudness meters / colour matching / elastic etc

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$995 the keyboard :o

Objet removal, the loudness tools and the CIE 1931 scope look nice.
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Cut page = FCP X :D
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Lucius Snow wrote:$995 the keyboard :o


Damn ...really? i missed that information...

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Dany Evans wrote:Cut page = FCP X :D

Useless page for most of people...
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It's a shame they didn't integrate colour balls into the keyboard too. But it looks good and bringing back a lot of Ampex memories.

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Lucius Snow wrote:
Dany Evans wrote:Cut page = FCP X :D

Useless page for most of people...


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I love everything we just saw. Except maybe the battery grip. Too bulky.

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Instead of simplify and improve Edit page they add that dumb Cut page. Not good.
BTW, other new features are really great!
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No release date info for 16?
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Dmitry Shijan wrote:Instead of simplify and improve Edit page they add that dumb Cut page. Not good.
BTW, other new features are really great!


That cut page looks amazing. I am really excited for it. Looks like you can edit in FCPX mode and traditional mode at the same time, or just hop over to the edit page for a more traditional feel. I like it.
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Colourberry wrote:I want that keyboard

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Yes please! I was hoping for closer to $300... but I think I will still buy it.
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Michael Beck wrote:No release date info for 16?


Public Beta is Live!
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Lucius Snow wrote:$995 the keyboard :o


Sure, it's a nice feature to have but a $1000 bucks for a keyboard w/ wheel - yikes... The other new additions look really interesting though.
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I like the cut page. The download is there in support for the beta. A lot bigger that previously.

Would like to know where fusion is improved.

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I was hoping for a Blender Page or some other 3D Animation Software. That's now the only missing piece to make Resolve a full end-to-end post-production suite.
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On Blackmagic website on media page there is a press release on fusion. Says much faster throughout essentially.

Good.

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MelFeliciano wrote:I was hoping for a Blender Page or some other 3D Animation Software. That's now the only missing piece to make Resolve a full end-to-end post-production suite.


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MelFeliciano wrote:I was hoping for a Blender Page or some other 3D Animation Software. That's now the only missing piece to make Resolve a full end-to-end post-production suite.
As much as I would love that too I dont think it's ever possible because of the original license setup of blender I don't think it can be sold. But a close integration between blender and fusion would be great.

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PostMon Apr 08, 2019 5:29 pm

Like others said, the cut page seems to be specific for some use cases, but not all. That is fine.. I get it.. they are catering to a LOT more than some of us hobbyists or specific use cases. With BRAW added to cameras and Resolve still the only thing able to edit it right now I suspect a LOT of people are switching to or including Resolve in their diet. For me, mostly doing long 1 to 2 hour clips for sports games, the cut page could be interesting for highlight reel purposes, but otherwise I dont know that I see any value in it.

Agree that Fusion seems to have been mostly skipped on additions except apparently faster render maybe? Will be interesting if the newer GPUs really enhance that, especially in 4K timelines or not.

The big feature to me is the AI bit. I dont know if this was in there before, it sounded like its a new addition. The whole object removal bit puts it on par with AE and their new automated matte around objects thing. My question is.. does it allow you to put stuff in between the object (e.g. in front of the object and behind the foreground, or behind the object and in front of the background.. like layers.. or does it only remove the object? The removal is cool, but more important is the ability to auto adjust the matte around the object so you can put things behind or in front of it, or do other interesting FX.

The keyboard.. $1K.. ouch. I mean, I get it that it is specialized.. but wow given the $1300 for BMPCC4K, and that you can build really nice full featured mechanical keyboards with RGB per key, etc for $100 or so, that price seems to be a bit steep. I could see $200 to $300 or so.. but $1K is quite high in my opinion. Maybe its the jog shuttle bit that added a lot of costs.. that it pops up when powered on and has dual linear drive motors, etc.. that I guess could add quite a bit of price.

I was hoping they were going to increase the slow motion on the BMPCC4K a bit. Was hoping BRAW was enough of a decrease in performance needs for encoding that they could give us 180fps HD and 120fps 4K but maybe not.. or maybe the sensor is not fast enough to pull that much data off for higher slow motion frame rates.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 5:41 pm

The support page now has downloadable beta files, and also a PDF guide to the new features.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 5:41 pm

I downloaded and installed. It wouldnt recognise the cuda card in my surface book 2 and crashes each time I try to launch.

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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 5:57 pm

Colourberry wrote:I downloaded and installed. It wouldnt recognise the cuda card in my surface book 2 and crashes each time I try to launch.

Crashes after splash screen for me too on Dell XPS laptop with Win10 where v15 ran.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 6:10 pm

Justin Jackson wrote:Agree that Fusion seems to have been mostly skipped on additions except apparently faster render maybe?

We got back fusion stand-alone and it is widely GPU accelerated now, that's enough to make me happy :D
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 6:39 pm

Trensharo wrote: i know affinity is still on development and adobe y far away but today affinity is the only software that seems be serious compoetitor... Corel is powerfull but it look so 1998.


"AVID Media Composer's UI was just revamped, so you're a bit behind the curve with that criticism."

AVID's new GUI is supposedly more intuitive and it looks -- eh, even more "pretty" -- almost Resolve'esque IMHO.

That development notwithstanding, 'really good observations and commentary from you and others here.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 6:43 pm

Dmitry Shijan wrote:That "Cut" page looks strange

I guess that's the "Revolution"; a "Cut" Page to rival Adobe Premiere Rush CC...
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 6:43 pm

Peter Benson wrote:
Trensharo wrote: i know affinity is still on development and adobe y far away but today affinity is the only software that seems be serious compoetitor... Corel is powerfull but it look so 1998.


"AVID Media Composer's UI was just revamped, so you're a bit behind the curve with that criticism."

AVID's new GUI is supposedly more intuitive and it looks -- eh, even more "pretty" -- almost Resolve'esque IMHO.

That development notwithstanding, 'really good observations and commentary from you and others here.
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Re: DR 16 The revolution in editing starts at 9AM PDT on Apr

PostMon Apr 08, 2019 6:59 pm

Mark Grgurev wrote:
Trensharo wrote:You didn't collapse the workspace bar, which can be done by double clicking. You also didn't look at the inspectors and effects pallettes, which are far more space efficient in Premiere Pro.

Plus the space used by elements on the timeline.

In short, your comparison ignored far too much to be of any use. I saw it when you posted. It wasn't worth commenting.

You're thinking of somebody else because this is the post I was talking about.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=73341&start=50#p415235

That's the post I was referring to.

There are blatant errors in those screenshots.

Effects Panel, Inspector, etc. Everything uses more screen real-estate due to tons of padding around allt he elements. I'm not going to sit here and argue about something that is so blatantly obvious, while someone counts the space where markers go in the timeline window, etc. as "wasted/empty pixels" in Premiere Pro's UI to misleading make it seem like it is "not really much different from Resolve."

Premiere Pro puts its tabs in the panel headings, and that is scrollable... That is space already in use, they just use it more efficiently. That's completely ignorable.

R16 allows you to hide the Page Switcher bar, so that's at least an improvement.

I can run both of these applications side by side on two screens of the same resolution and display size. There is a big difference in space utilization. There is tons of padding between elements in Resolve, in both the effects/inspector panels as well as in the toolbars. It eats up a lot of pixels on the screen, compared to Premiere Pro (and other editors, not just Premiere).
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