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2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostTue Oct 13, 2020 11:17 pm

Blackmagic 2020 is basically coming to a close. Where is the activation key option?

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Peter Chamberlain wrote:It’s on my list but might not make this cycle so don’t wait for it ATM.


No one really uses dongle keys anymore and it's very inconvenient for laptop use.

Isn't it time to bring out the activation key and standardize your offerings on both resolve and fusion so that dongle or key makes no difference? Would reduce a lot of confusion, some negative feelings and probably increase sales.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostSun Oct 18, 2020 10:54 pm

Does Black Magic not engage it's users? Can any staff/employee respond please?
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostMon Oct 19, 2020 7:12 am

SoYouBye wrote:Does Black Magic not engage it's users? Can any staff/employee respond please?


They tend not to, at least not in te Fusion section. We're pretty much community driven when it comes to Fusion issues and solutions. There's a better user forum for Fu over at www.steakunderwater.com
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostMon Oct 19, 2020 12:15 pm

all fanboy-ism aside, this is what Fusion has been like for the past 3-5 years. the biggest update was Fusion 16, which was a non-configurable UI/UX with some tracking stuff added. Look at the rest of the updates... mostly adding support for Blackmagic's cameras and codecs. The strength in fusion isn't in the software its the fuse/script developers which are doing things BMD shoud be doing.

Fusion has coasted on fumes for the past few years. it's cheap, and rightfully so... you get what you pay for at this point. there are so many things Nuke does a lot better and faster. If Foundry could get their heads out of their wallets long enough to make Nuke Indie worthwhile, Fusion customer base would shrink again.

BMD needs to do a better job developing Fusion like they do with Resolve, or just stop selling it and give it away for free again.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostMon Oct 19, 2020 7:40 pm

Agreed, I once I finish my current project I am going to take a look at Nuke Indie. I love Fusion but it is stagnant with no roadmap and I can't afford to get left behind. I used to use Nuke about 4 yrs ago but Foundry gave me the sh1's. Has anyone recently run any performance/stability/functionality tests for Nuke (Indie) vs Fusion (for in Windows)? Would love to hear others thoughts.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostTue Oct 20, 2020 9:26 am

I really hope they do make it possible to use Fusion Studio with Resolve activation keys. Being able to have both Resolve Studio and Fusion Studio for the same $300 / £250 is an incredible deal, but right now it feels like that's hidden. Almost a loophole. I've seen a number of people say how they feel like they missed out because they bought the Resolve Studio code before they realised they could have had Fusion Studio as well if they'd bought a dongle, and now have to pay double what other users paid.

It's very generous to provide both products for the same price, but the way things are currently handled means people who didn't learn about that option prior to purchase may well end up feeling like they were penalised for buying the most popular package.

I'm wondering if there's already been a sign that this might happen: the fact that when the Fusion sections of the Resolve manual were recently updated they combined the documentation for both Resolve's Fusion page and Fusion Studio into a single document. Presumably this was primarily done for simplicity and to reduce the time and cost of updating the manual. But I wonder if it might also be an indication that in future, buying Resolve Studio will always provide Fusion Studio.

That could be wishful thinking on my part. But I've always thought it was a little odd that the Resolve manual has whole chapters describing Fusion Studio features that are not and will never be part of Resolve. That decision would make more sense if it's planned for Fusion Studio to always be available to every Resolve Studio user, and for that to be clearly communicated in marketing and documentation.

As always we will just have to wait and see. Like the CIA, BMD do not comment on future plans :)
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostWed Oct 21, 2020 7:13 am

Well this is disappointing....

Even Adobe engages more than this.

TheBloke wrote:As always we will just have to wait and see. Like the CIA, BMD do not comment on future plans :)


Would be nice if they could at least address their own previous statements. The whole offering should really be brought into 2020 and standardized, who even really uses dongles any more? Not to mention a lot of creators on laptops would hate using a dongle as that not only locks up a USB port but could also potentially contribute towards damaging your laptop and dongle.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostWed Oct 21, 2020 9:44 am

I still use and cherish my Fusion Dongle and would be sad to see it vanish. I understand that digital licenses are wanted and I'm not opposing that but I would hate to see dongles go completely.
The comfort of digital licenses is only really given when the process of transferring them is simple.

When I was working at a company I switched computers quite frequently or upgrades to the machine were recognized as new computers on other software. Having to transfer the C4D, Redshift and Houdini licenses was always kinda annoying while I could easily "transfer" my Fusion License by plugging the dongle in another computer.

Now as a freelancer again, I sometimes test my scripts on my old Mac and plugging the dongle in is super quick. Or due to network connections I have different accounts on my old Mac. I can't open Houdini on that but I can use my dongle to open Fusion on every Account.

Again, I'm not opposing digital licenses but there are people using dongles and would prefer to use them in the future.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostWed Oct 21, 2020 3:54 pm

UserNoah wrote:
Again, I'm not opposing digital licenses but there are people using dongles and would prefer to use them in the future.


Sure and they could still keep the dongle option for the rare few that want or need it. They'll probably sell 100x more activation keys though if all things were equal and that is the point ie more sales for them, easier for everyone else including customer.
They could also consider your kind of rarer scenario but for the vast majority they would likely activate on a new machine they intend to use permanently. So like resolve key deactivates the first old activation fusion key could do the same.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostThu Oct 29, 2020 3:11 pm

TheBloke wrote:I really hope they do make it possible to use Fusion Studio with Resolve activation keys. Being able to have both Resolve Studio and Fusion Studio for the same $300 / £250 is an incredible deal, but right now it feels like that's hidden. Almost a loophole.


Yet users of the Resolve Studio activation key have Fusion Studio documentation installed on their system. It's super confusing the 3000 page help file to include pages for a software you don't even have a license for.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostThu Oct 29, 2020 4:30 pm

Chad Capeland wrote:
TheBloke wrote:I really hope they do make it possible to use Fusion Studio with Resolve activation keys. Being able to have both Resolve Studio and Fusion Studio for the same $300 / £250 is an incredible deal, but right now it feels like that's hidden. Almost a loophole.


Yet users of the Resolve Studio activation key have Fusion Studio documentation installed on their system. It's super confusing the 3000 page help file to include pages for a software you don't even have a license for.


Yeah, that's why I was saying I wondered if the fact that they merged the Fusion documentation for Resolve and Fusion Studio was some indication that, perhaps from v17 onwards, Fusion Studio might be automatically included with every Resolve Studio license.

That would give a lot more justification for combining the manuals and including in the Resolve Studio manual chapters that only apply to Fusion Studio. Let's hope it's that anyway, otherwise yeah, it's not a great look to combine documentation for separate products.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostThu Oct 29, 2020 5:34 pm

TheBloke wrote:but right now it feels like that's hidden. Almost a loophole.

To be fair, when I was tossing up whether to buy a studio license for Fusion 9 or Resolve 14 BMD did tell me that if I bought a Fu9 dongle I'd get the use of both packages. They're not hiding it, just not advertising it.
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Re: 2020 over. Where is fusion studio activation key option?

PostThu Oct 29, 2020 8:32 pm

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TheBloke wrote:but right now it feels like that's hidden. Almost a loophole.

To be fair, when I was tossing up whether to buy a studio license for Fusion 9 or Resolve 14 BMD did tell me that if I bought a Fu9 dongle I'd get the use of both packages. They're not hiding it, just not advertising it.



Why do they even need to make it that complicated or confusing?

Bring out activation keys like everyone else on the planet and standardize the offerings so no one misses out on anything. Then your customer can choose whether they want activation key or for some reason a physical dongle. Assuming all else equal, activation keys will outsell dongles by the ton and those that want physical dongle for some reason can buy that instead. No more confusion and easy sell.

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