Hendrik Proosa wrote:KrunoSmithy wrote:Hmm. I still don't understand what the problem is with Fusion, since for me this is no issue because I work differently than your set up and doing what you want to do is easy.
So how exactly do you switch the order of viewer operations without adding nodes to graph that modify the data?
There is no "setup" for the viewer, its ops are hardcoded. Juggling nodes isn't part of the problem nor solution, it is a totally different area.
Its simple really. You use one Gamma or CST (Color Space Transform) Node at the beginning and one at the end of the node tree. Assuming you are using manual approach, and not color managed workflow that is also available in Fusion. But if you want total control and managed it yourself, which is what I personally prefer, you use it to transform everything to linear space on input and out of linear space to whatever you like at the output. That way Fusion works as intended in linear space. If your footage is already linear than you do not need to convert it on input.
That takes care of the way nodes work. Linear. I set up one CST node for most common footage I work with and set it to default so all I have to do is click on the shortcut for it on the toolbar and I'm ready to go on the input. For output I just copy the same node and click the swap button and I'm back where I need to be. Simple and quick once you set it up.
But this may darken the image in the viewer(s) or if its log lighten it etc. So we need viewer luts to deal with what we are looking at to be correct, while fusion gets its linear footage that it wants, since most tools in Fusion are designed to expect linear input and work the best that way.
For the viewer luts, depending on how you work its also one click button and or list of common luts for most types of footage that you can set up. so its again, easy. You can use view luts or not at any point. The other one is buffer lut for 3D work, but its essentially the same process. No problem.
When working with Gamma / Gain it simply exposes or hides a simple pair of Gain and Gamma sliders that let you adjust the viewed image without altering it. Especially useful for “gamma slamming” a composite to see how well it holds up with a variety of gamma settings. Defaults to no change. As one might expect.
I have never had a problem with it. If you do, you probably should change your workflow.
What Fusion allows is very complex and user controlled workflow that can fit any need of any input or output you might have. Linear, Log, Rec709, HDR, SDR, or combination of multiple inputs and outputs for technical evaluation, conversion needs or for creative purposes. Its super flexible. Nothing needs fixing.
As for order of operations, here is from the manual.
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P.S. When working in Fusion studio and when Working in Resolve things are bit different, because in resolve you can also do bunch of stuff in color or edit page so that comes into play. But process is not a problem if you know what you are doing.