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Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 12:27 am

this is tied to a question I did on the other usergroup a while ago:

Can Fusion (either the free or the paid version) debayer CR2 files?
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 2:32 am

Why not download it, install it, and try it? :D
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 3:38 am

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:Why not download it, install it, and try it? :D


......Coz i do not have a Pc but a Mac?

I will try to install on Parallel thou....


The question has a double function:
1) can the software import it?
2) does have issues?

Chance are that if somebody used the software for that purpose it also can advise me to any issues connected to.
I looked in the manual but it refer to an "appendices 1" for the list of [imput formats] that is not there....

edit: Actually thinking about it I have a small laptop that run winzoz 7... I can try there.
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 5:51 am

The answer seems [NO WAY]....
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 7:33 am

waltervolpatto wrote:The answer seems [NO WAY]....


Bummer...does that mean that CDNG is also not supported? That would seem really odd.

I'm interested in Fusion, but I'll hold off until a Mac version is done, and ideally a version 8 with more Fusion <> Resolve connectedness is released (hopefully by NAB).
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 3:34 pm

Where exacly comes the necessity from working directly on CR2/DNGs inside the comping-app (which only adds render time for debayer etc) instead of debayerin the image properly and importing it then?
I don't know if it's always the wisest idea to comp on raw footage, especially because you never know how the debayer of the software works;
better work on the graded material, or develop the raw properly into e.g. an EXR
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 4:47 pm

Waayy back with FU5 it could be done with DrUtil

duikerresearch dot com/fusion/

Now i just convert to bulky tiff =/
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 4:56 pm

Rick Griffo wrote:Where exacly comes the necessity from working directly on CR2/DNGs inside the comping-app (which only adds render time for debayer etc) instead of debayerin the image properly and importing it then?
I don't know if it's always the wisest idea to comp on raw footage, especially because you never know how the debayer of the software works;
better work on the graded material, or develop the raw properly into e.g. an EXR


There was another thread about it that i opened a while ago.

The Idea is that we have about 20 shots stereo long timelapses (500-1000 frames each) and the Idea is which is the best way to convert them in a format suitable for some vfx (stereo fixes) and color correction. The preferred workflow is either DPX or EXR coded in photometrical linear light at the origianl resolution 5.5k (or more...). DNG is a proposed solution but it is not recomended by the pipeline (sometimes we cannot dictate how we want to do things...)
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 5:09 pm

So why not just converting them into DPX or EXR?

I'd convert the CR2 into DNG, using the Adobe DNG Converter, and then using DaVinci for the development.
Debayering it to BMD Film Colourspace, exporting to linear EXR files or DPX (both might be huge obviously).

I don't see how DNG is not an option, but CR2 does. DNG as a base-format (as both are basically raw, it doesn't matter in the end) is much more accepted than CR2 (which Adobe might be able to read as a sequence, if any)
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 5:17 pm

Rick Griffo wrote:So why not just converting them into DPX or EXR?

I'd convert the CR2 into DNG, using the Adobe DNG Converter, and then using DaVinci for the development.
Debayering it to BMD Film Colourspace, exporting to linear EXR files or DPX (both might be huge obviously).

I don't see how DNG is not an option, but CR2 does. DNG as a base-format (as both are basically raw, it doesn't matter in the end) is much more accepted than CR2 (which Adobe might be able to read as a sequence, if any)


We explored the idea, I want to avoid the double CR2->DNG->EXR passage: I will tide up the color corrector platform just to do a conversion of format, it is un-economical. (the resolve is also always booked for feature coloring).

I was looking for a straight CR2->Dpx/EXR conversion with one go....

And Yes, those file are HUGE.....
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 6:50 pm

Walter, have you tried this in Lightroom? There's some indication that it will export DPX, and it certainly can import CR2.
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostThu Nov 13, 2014 8:18 pm

Lee Gauthier wrote:Walter, have you tried this in Lightroom? There's some indication that it will export DPX, and it certainly can import CR2.


Yes Lightroom and AE are the candidates at th emoment.

Think about how much easy is the workflow if I can:
open the CR2 (in Nuke or Fusion),
convert in linear light with the right exposure,
do the rough stereo alignment
and the left/right eye color balance (using the exposure form the RAW)
save the DPX/EXR for the next step

Against:
open the CR2 on Lightroom one eye at the time one shot at the time
save some terabytes somewhere
go in Fusion/Nuke for the stereo alignment and what not
color balance on top of the already debayered
save the fianl result.

And in AE it seems that i cannot do linear light, so I have to collaps to another gamma encoded olor space to undo that in the next step.



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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostFri Nov 14, 2014 2:38 am

I thought Adobe incorporated linear light after Stu browbeat them for a year or two.

Does that page not cover what you need?
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostFri Nov 14, 2014 3:52 am

Color management and linear workflow have been in there since CS3.
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostFri Nov 14, 2014 4:54 am

Lee Gauthier wrote:I thought Adobe incorporated linear light after Stu browbeat them for a year or two.

Does that page not cover what you need?


Not really (keep in mind that I'm a donkey with AE): when i open open a CR2 I could find a way to explicitly make linear light without passing through an sRGB/rec709 profile, that is not what I want.
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostFri Nov 14, 2014 9:58 am

Well DaVinci Lite could do it too, "only" in UHD resolution but there it goes...
I understand that converting sucks and costs time, however you have to work with what you got and CR2 are simply not really a video-friendly format to work with :)

If you directly export to DPX, you get 12bits at best; yet Adobe won't properly work that way, so only 10bits - in linear light that equals 10stops DR? Great for getting rid of some crucial information :)

The question is which app can properly develop linear files and maintain all information that is needed into a common format, like EXR. I wouldn't use DPX for a linear workflow, that makes not much sense to begin with - that why I meant to develop it into a LOG format with e.g. DaVinci.

Raw inside of compositing applications is always a messy thing if you ask me, and I wouldn't expect Fusion to handle these formats rather soon, especially since DaVinci isn't even able to read them (and that software is kinda good for raw workflows).
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostFri Nov 14, 2014 7:26 pm

Rick Griffo wrote:Well DaVinci Lite could do it too, "only" in UHD resolution but there it goes...
I understand that converting sucks and costs time, however you have to work with what you got and CR2 are simply not really a video-friendly format to work with :)

If you directly export to DPX, you get 12bits at best; yet Adobe won't properly work that way, so only 10bits - in linear light that equals 10stops DR? Great for getting rid of some crucial information :)

The question is which app can properly develop linear files and maintain all information that is needed into a common format, like EXR. I wouldn't use DPX for a linear workflow, that makes not much sense to begin with - that why I meant to develop it into a LOG format with e.g. DaVinci.

Raw inside of compositing applications is always a messy thing if you ask me, and I wouldn't expect Fusion to handle these formats rather soon, especially since DaVinci isn't even able to read them (and that software is kinda good for raw workflows).


Pretty much agreed, that is why I want to go (fusion) from CR2 straight to EXR, save them and pass to the VFX/DI platform....
The files are 5.5K horizontal (4/3 format or something similar, last time I did it they where a double Asseblad build) if i remember correctly....
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostSat Nov 15, 2014 11:00 am

As I posted before (but you might have missed it since my account needed to be approved before my posts we published) you can use FU5 with DrUtil from duikerresearch to open CR2 files in Fusion. Would be so helpful to have this plugin rewritten for FU7!!
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Re: Does Fusion handle CR2?

PostMon Nov 17, 2014 10:11 pm

Marc van Vliet wrote:As I posted before (but you might have missed it since my account needed to be approved before my posts we published) you can use FU5 with DrUtil from duikerresearch to open CR2 files in Fusion. Would be so helpful to have this plugin rewritten for FU7!!


Good Idea... Too bad does not work on Fusion7
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