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Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:48 pm
by Dan Hildebrand
Hey guys,

I just started working with Fusion. I'd consider myself proficient in After Effects, but im really excited to use nodes rather than layers :p I have a few questions to help get me going:

I'm using Fusion 8 Beta and the current version of Premiere Pro CC on Windows 7.

So I have a handful of shots that are edited in Premiere and ready to be sent over for VFX.

My source clips (within Premiere) are: .mov V Log GH4 - 3840x2160, 29.97fps

1. EDL. I exported an EDL sequence of a couple clips from Premiere. In Fusion I go to Import>EDL, the prompts ask for the .EDL, which is fine. Then source clip, ok. And then it asks to open a Fusion Composition, which is confusing to me since i'm already in one and just trying to import the EDL. Is there a good way to import the .EDL to Fusion?

2. As another way of getting my clips into Fusion, I exported them from Premiere into a variety of formats. The first was DNxHR HQ UHD, when I went to import this, Fusion did not even see the file as something that was able to be imported. Second, I tried OpenEXR, but once imported to Fusion, was way too dark (looks fine when opened in Photoshop). The third option I tried was .dpx, which seemed to work okay, but when I applied a LUT to the footage, the solid colored areas began looking very blocky/pixelated.

I know lots more information here would probably help, but im sure there is something pretty simple that i'm going wrong. Any recommendations would be helpful. Thanks!

Re: Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:16 pm
by Jeff Ha
Is the EDL actually asking to save a comp via the file browser, versus really asking to open a new one? EXR import may just need a gamma node to adjust it back to 2.2?

Re: Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:48 pm
by Dan Hildebrand
Jeff Ha wrote:Is the EDL actually asking to save a comp via the file browser, versus really asking to open a new one? EXR import may just need a gamma node to adjust it back to 2.2?


It looks like it want's to open a comp to me? I tried opening a blank one that I created, and it lets me proceed, but I just had an empty screen after that, like nothing was actually imported.

I'll check out the gamma correction!

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Re: Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:19 pm
by michael vorberg
maybe this is an option for you:

http://www.steakunderwater.com/wesuckle ... =edl#p4637

this is a script which can import XML edits with some more options then the default EDL import

for the EXR:
they are probably in linear color space and with out a LUT in the viewer you will see them in linear, so you need to enable the LUT in the viewer. which is better then changing the gamma on the footage itself (with a BC, gamut node, ...) because you stay in linear and work in linear

Re: Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:44 pm
by Eugene Afanasiev
michael vorberg wrote:they are probably in linear color space and with out a LUT in the viewer you will see them in linear, so you need to enable the LUT in the viewer. which is better then changing the gamma on the footage itself (with a BC, gamut node, ...) because you stay in linear and work in linear

But Michael, if you use LUT in viewver you get incorrect waveform and other scopes, that is a little bit inconvenient.

Re: Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:24 pm
by Chad Capeland
The waveform is correct. So are the histograms. You read it differently for linear vs rec.709. Vectorscopes aren't meant for linear images anyway.

Re: Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:33 pm
by michael vorberg
and the math behind the (most) nodes is expecting linear images

Re: Best workflow between Premiere and Fusion?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:47 pm
by Dan Hildebrand
Thanks guys, I admit I have a lot to learn about color science. After Effects seems to have "dumbed it down" somewhat, so im glad that learning a node based program like Fusion will get me to start thinking about things differently.