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Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Mac?

PostTue Aug 27, 2024 1:54 am

I JUST CAN’T GET DV V14+ working with a “Mac” using a PCIe Decklink card in Sonoma 14.5. Desktop Video v 12.9 works no problem, and this particular machine can boot Windows 11 and the same card works first try using DV 14+ in Windows.

I had an earlier thread with no solution, posting again. Today I tried the latest version of DV, and still I cannot get a Decklink card to work. The installer IS different (than v 12 and below) and does NOT seem to install the usual Library/decklink kexts, however, I noticed that when a decklink card is in a thunderbolt chassis, DV works no problem, first try.

I’m convinced that PCIe drivers either aren’t getting installed, or are just so different that it’s not engaging. FWIW, the “helper” app in Library/Application Support does absolutely nothing.

So… is there anyone out there with a newer Mac Pro that DOES have a decklink working with DV v14+??

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostThu Aug 29, 2024 11:42 am

I think if you're having trouble with Decklink on Mac and DV v14+, it could be an issue with missing or incompatible PCIe drivers. Try reinstalling the kexts manually or using a Thunderbolt chassis to see if that resolves the issue.
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostThu Aug 29, 2024 4:07 pm

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying... there doesn't seem to be the Library/Extensions kexts for the PCIe slots anymore. It works no problem with a thunderbolt chassis, but that's not what I want. Again, v12.9 works with a PCIe card.

And yes, I tried to manually install the old kexts (and rebuild the kext cache), as well as see if there's anything I could modify in the old kexts to make them work with 14+... still no dice.

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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostSun Sep 01, 2024 8:09 am

PMCuser wrote:I JUST CAN’T GET DV V14+ working with a “Mac” using a PCIe Decklink card in Sonoma 14.5. Desktop Video v 12.9 works no problem, and this particular machine can boot Windows 11 and the same card works first try using DV 14+ in Windows.

I had an earlier thread with no solution, posting again. Today I tried the latest version of DV, and still I cannot get a Decklink card to work. The installer IS different (than v 12 and below) and does NOT seem to install the usual Library/decklink kexts, however, I noticed that when a decklink card is in a thunderbolt chassis, DV works no problem, first try.

I’m convinced that PCIe drivers either aren’t getting installed, or are just so different that it’s not engaging. FWIW, the “helper” app in Library/Application Support does absolutely nothing.

So… is there anyone out there with a newer Mac Pro that DOES have a decklink working with DV v14+??

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks!


What model of Mac is your 'Mac' pretending to be? If that model doesn't have PCI-E slots it could be that BMD are being a bit more bespoke with what they install, and are thus only installing TB drivers for a model that in theory is only capable of TB expansion?

As you're Intel - then presumably the Mac Pro you're most interested in is the 2019 Cheese Grater model - as that will be the only Intel Mac Pro which is still fully supported and that has PCI-E slots (the 2013 and earlier models were the last ones before that to have PCI-e expansion slots but presumably are no longer supported - the Trash Can model didn't have PCI-E?)

I suspect the Apple Silicon Mac Pro will have different driver/kext code potentially if the drivers have been compiled separately for ARM and Intel instruction sets rather than relying on Rosetta 2?
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostSun Sep 01, 2024 5:44 pm

Thank you for the response;

I’m using (and have been using) SMBIOS MacPro7,1, which is the intel version, and system profiler reports 8 slots. But if one shows package contents of the DV 14+ installer, you’ll see the previous Library kexts aren’t even there, so I’m convinced it’s just not designed to function for a Mac with slots, but I just can’t imagine that’s true, as there has to be others out there that are functional with a 2019 MacPro…
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostTue Sep 03, 2024 8:30 am

PMCuser wrote:Thank you for the response;

I’m using (and have been using) SMBIOS MacPro7,1, which is the intel version, and system profiler reports 8 slots. But if one shows package contents of the DV 14+ installer, you’ll see the previous Library kexts aren’t even there, so I’m convinced it’s just not designed to function for a Mac with slots, but I just can’t imagine that’s true, as there has to be others out there that are functional with a 2019 MacPro…


If the kexts aren't present in the installer dmg then I guess they've deprecated PCI-E support in Intel Macs - though that seems a bit drastic given the Intel Mac Pro with PCI-E slots was only replaced in 2023?

The release notes for Desktop Video 14.1 state support for these cards on Intel and Apple Silicon Mac.
Note: The following products are supported on macOS Ventura and Sonoma:
Apple silicon and Intel Macs:
  • DeckLink Duo 2
  • DeckLink Quad 2
  • DeckLink Quad HDMI Recorder
  • DeckLink 8K Pro
  • DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G
  • DeckLink IP HD
  • DeckLink IP HD Optical
  • DeckLink IP/SDI HD
  • DeckLink Micro Recorder
  • DeckLink SDI Micro
  • DeckLink Mini Monitor HD
  • DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K
  • DeckLink Mini Recorder
  • DeckLink Mini Recorder HD
  • DeckLink Mini Recorder 4K
  • DeckLink SDI 4K
  • DeckLink Studio 4K
  • UltraStudio Recorder 3G
  • UltraStudio Monitor 3G
  • UltraStudio HD Mini
  • UltraStudio 4K Mini
  • UltraStudio 4K Extreme 3
  • Intensity Pro 4K
  • DeckLink 4K Pro
  • DeckLink 4K Extreme
  • UltraStudio 4K
  • UltraStudio 4K Extreme

I assume your Decklink is on this list?
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostThu Sep 05, 2024 3:27 am

Yessir; have tried with SDI 4k on one system, and Mini Monitor 4k on another, both listed as supported.
Thinking I’ll corner someone at NYC NAB b/c I don’t expect to get very far with support given the build. For now, I’m sticking with DV v12.9.
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostFri Sep 06, 2024 8:19 pm

Short answer NO GO.

We have some older intel Macs, one with pci Decklink. Here is the situation:

2010 Mac Pro 5,1
MacOS Monterey 12.7.5 with OCLP
Desktop Video 12.1 (newer ones don't work)
Decklink Mini Monitor 4k
Resolve 19.0.1. Build 6


Also have a very old intel iMac running Ventura 13.6.9 with OCLP
This is an administrative machine but can run Resolve

Desktop Video 12.9
I tried 14.2 but it didn't work, I didn't fiddle with it, just went back to 12.9
Ultrastudio Mini Monitor (Thunderbolt 2)
Resolve 19.0.1. Build 6
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostFri Sep 06, 2024 10:49 pm

@Luis_x

Maybe you know this trick, maybe you don't need it, but for several years of Mac OS's I've had to do this trick after installing Desktop Video:

sudo mv /Library/Application\ Support/Blackmagic\ Design/Blackmagic\ DeckLink/Signed\ Extensions/BlackmagicIO.kext /Library/Extensions

In Terminal, obviously. This is only for decklink cards, likely.

Thanks for the response,
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Re: Who has Desktop Video v14+ working with PCIe cards on Ma

PostMon Sep 09, 2024 11:29 pm

Jason,

Thanks for the tip, didn't work though. The command started the prompt to approve the extension but still no go. I have tried a lot of things with no luck. I think it is a problem with open core on that ancient workhorse.

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