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Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:35 pm
by Michael Moore
I have a black friday oportunity to buy a Benq SW 271 at 1000$ with VAT. This monitor dosen't cover Rec 2020 standard. Benq SW 271 have 99% coverage of the Adobe RGB color space, this monitor also covers 100% of the Rec.709 and sRGB color spaces, 93% of the DCI-P3 color space, supports High Dynamic Range (HDR) and HDR10. Worth to buy? If not what monitor you recomamand me in same budget?

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:32 pm
by Andrew Kolakowski
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/be ... ,5785.html

It's not bad. Just forget about HDR mode as it does whole 350nits max (and contrast at 800:1). Those are no near HDR needs values. The weakest point is uniformity. This will show up in every day usage. It's not very good, but not crazy bad. Other than this it calibrates very well to Rec.709. Contrast is not the best as well, but should be enough.
Maybe better deal is LG OLED, but this will be more money (although UHD, HDR etc and proper/big video preview).
UHD resolution in 27inch is questionable. Pixels are tiny. Videos will look smooth but you won't see edge details (if you need to).

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:28 pm
by Michael Moore
How much is necesary the Rec 2020 standard for a video editing monitor? What alternative monitor (maybe with Rec 2020) i can find in 1000$ budget for video editing?

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:07 pm
by Dan Sherman
Michael Moore wrote:How much is necesary the Rec 2020 standard for a video editing monitor? What alternative monitor (maybe with Rec 2020) i can find in 1000$ budget for video editing?


Off the the top of my head I don't think any regular computer monitor currently on the market is going to do a good job grading rec 2020. Fo that, I believe you're still talking a higher-end television, or a proper reference monitor $$$.

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:22 pm
by Michael Moore
At 1000$ inclusive VAT Benq SW 271 wort tu buy it for video editing or is just to photo editing?What another model monitor should buy at this budget?

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:58 pm
by Andrew Kolakowski
Michael Moore wrote:How much is necesary the Rec 2020 standard for a video editing monitor? What alternative monitor (maybe with Rec 2020) i can find in 1000$ budget for video editing?


Forget about Rec.2020. No one grades to it as there are no monitors or TVs which support it.
If you think about wide gamut than P3 is your target.

Apparently you can buy LG OLED B9 for 1000$ on Black Friday deal. This would be good buy I assume. Better than BenQ monitor for video needs.

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:31 pm
by Dan Sherman
Like Andrew Kolakowski said, forget about any HDR color space, to properly grade those is going to cost you a lot of $$$.

for example: $31k at release in early 2018
https://www.eizo.com/products/coloredge/cg3145/

What you want is a true 10bit monitor with 100% coverage of the SRG/rec.709 color space in the 32" size range.

I have seen both good and bad reviews for this monitor, when it was first released they had sample to sample uniformity issues, I'm not sure of that's fixed now or not.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... _edge.html

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:43 pm
by Michael Moore
Dan Sherman wrote:What you want is a true 10bit monitor with 100% coverage of the SRG/rec.709 color space in the 32" size range.


Benq SW 271 is not good to video because is 27" and not 32" monitor? Why Benq claime this monitor for photography and not for video? What make a monitor to be for video and not photo? What about the Asus PA329Q? Is moore good to video editing compare with Benq SW 271?

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:31 am
by Dan Sherman
Michael Moore wrote:
Dan Sherman wrote:What you want is a true 10bit monitor with 100% coverage of the SRG/rec.709 color space in the 32" size range.


Benq SW 271 is not good to video because is 27" and not 32" monitor? Why Benq claime this monitor for photography and not for video? What make a monitor to be for video and not photo?


The 271 can be used for video editing, but at 27" the pixel density is 163 PPi. At that destiny it can be hard to see edge details without zooming in. at 32" ppi drops to 137, while still not great it's better. If you get a LG OLED B9 like Andrew mentioned they start at 55" so ppi is 80, and thus it's very easy to see details, and its also the size screen people are going to be watching on in their homes.

A lot of professional colorists have relatively crappy monitors, but a really nice calibrated tv. For example take a look at this marketing photo pulled directly from BM website. Two random monitors that aren't even the same size or model, and then a really nice TV hung on the wall behind at a realistic viewing distance. Unless your a professional at a decent level, you propbabbly don't have the $$$ or space for a setup like this. Thus, most amateurs or lower level professionals go with computer monitors, and above 32" quallity really starts to drop off.
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The 271 is more photographer oriented because it has 99% coverage of Adobe RGB. That's a color Space that's more important to photographers who are actually going to be printing their work.

Take a look at this color space chart. A simple way to think of it, is the bigger the triangle the more its going to cost you.
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Michael Moore wrote: What about the Asus PA329Q? Is moore good to video editing compare with Benq SW 271?

size wise it is.

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:58 pm
by Dan Sherman
I did a little looking this morning since its been a while. The Dell U3219Q might fit your needs at roughly $800. Here is a review https://www.color-management-guide.com/ ... eview.html

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:00 am
by Marc Salvatore
If you can wait they are supposed to release the new PV271 soon which will have SDI inputs (12G) and onboard calibration. According to some articles online it's expected end of 2019 or early 2020. Another one to look at would be the newer SW270C. It's supposed to be more uniform than the SW271 and it's cheaper but also only 1440p (2560x1440). B & H actually lists the SW270C as the newer model when you look up the PV270.

This article talks about the upcoming PV271
https://imagescience.com.au/blog/benq-apac-summit-2018

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:56 pm
by Andrew Kolakowski
PV271 won't cost 1K$ for sure.
I expect more like 3K$ or if it's really HDR then 5K$ price tag.
Looks like it's also late. It was announced long time ago and still no finish product.

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:12 pm
by Marc Salvatore
Good point Andrew. I expected it to be more but not that much more.

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:22 pm
by Dan Sherman
The cheapest "HDR" capable UHD monitor on the market right now is the roughly $1500 USD ASUS ProArt PA32UC.

Even it has some issue after calibration that take it above the 2.0 delta-E threshold. However as you would expect all the marketing documentation uses the averages that are below 2.0.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1743-ac ... page2.html

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:44 pm
by PhotoJoseph
Dan Sherman wrote:Like Andrew Kolakowski said, forget about any HDR color space, to properly grade those is going to cost you a lot of $$$.

for example: $31k at release in early 2018
https://www.eizo.com/products/coloredge/cg3145/

What you want is a true 10bit monitor with 100% coverage of the SRG/rec.709 color space in the 32" size range.

I have seen both good and bad reviews for this monitor, when it was first released they had sample to sample uniformity issues, I'm not sure of that's fixed now or not.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... _edge.html

Hey Dan, how would you go about displaying HDR on that BenQ (or any HDR capable) display? This is the problem I'm trying to solve (monitoring HDR while editing Rec2020 in FCPX) and the Ultrastudio 4K Mini is a great price for HDR output, but this does NOT display HDR on the BenQ or, as far as I know, any standard computer monitor. The HDR capability of monitors like that are for playback from gaming consoles and other HDR playback devices (HDR10), but not editing.

So with that in mind, when you say that what you want is a "true 10bit monitor with 100% coverage of the SRG/rec.709 color space", how do you mean to view that? If you're just connecting this display to your Mac normally over Thunderbolt or HDMI, I don't believe you're going to see anything other than a simulated HDR image, and not what you'd get on playback on, say, an HDR TV or an HDR smartphone.

If the objective is to edit HDR for consumption on consumer HDR displays, what's the pathway for editing? I can walk into Costco and get a pretty awesome looking, huge 4K HDR display for under a thousand bucks, but I don't think there's any way to play HDR content on there from the Final Cut (or any NLE) timeline. Right?

It's right about now that we realize the $6,000 Apple XDR display is actually a really good deal… yikes.

cheers
-Joseph

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:44 pm
by Andrew Kolakowski
Asus ProArt maybe actually even better.

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:22 pm
by Dan Sherman
Joseph Linaschke wrote:So with that in mind, when you say that what you want is a "true 10bit monitor with 100% coverage of the SRG/rec.709 color space"


Andre and I where both basically saying ignore HDR for now, and get an accurate monitor for general purpose grading.



If you want to get into HDR grading, then the first thing you (generalized you) need to decide, is what HDR means.

To the average consumer HDR just means a really really bright image. A lot of tv & monitors currently on the market claim HDR support. However it's not what most members of this forum would consider HDR.

  • HDR 400 400 cd/m2, 8-bit, 95% 709 coverage
  • HDR 500 500 cd/m2, 10-bit, 99% 709 coverage, 90% DCI-P3 coverage
  • HDR 600 600 cd/m2, 10-bit, 99% 709 coverage, 90% DCI-P3 coverage
  • HDR 1000 1000 cd/m2, 10-bit, 99% 709 coverage, 90% DCI-P3 coverage
  • HDR 1400 1400 cd/m2, 10-bit, 99% 709 coverage, 95% DCI-P3 coverage

Here you can see even finer details of the above spec, like black level etc.
https://displayhdr.org/performance-criteria-cts1-1/


Members on this forum are usually talking about rec 2020/2100. Both of these standards are much more expensive, because they use a much larger color space on top of the 1000 nit requirement.

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The ASUS ProArt PA32UC $1200-$1500 will get you up to HDR1000, but its not going to touch rec 2020/2100 with a claimed coverage of only 85% rec 2020.

a review of the PA32UC.
https://www.color-management-guide.com/ ... eview.html

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:05 am
by Andrew Kolakowski
85% of Rec.2020 is actually decent. Rec.2020 is more a theoretical color space for now. You should be looking at P3 as wide gamut option.

Re: Benq SW 271 is good for video editing?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:55 pm
by Dan Sherman
asus sells an even better model, the PA32UCX. However if I was planing to drop $4k on a monitor, I don't think it would be an asus model.

https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/ProArt ... fications/
Panel Backlight / Type : Mini LED / IPS
True Resolution : 3840x2160
Brightness : 600 cd/㎡ (Typical)/1200 cd/㎡ (Peak)
Color Saturation : 89% Rec.2020, 99.5% Adobe RGB, 99% DCI-P3 and 100% sRGB