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Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostThu Dec 10, 2020 2:37 am

Is anyone out there trying out Resolve 17.1b Studio on an Apple Mac mini M1 16Gb and Big Sur? If so, my 2 questions are:

1. Is it capable of some serious editing and color grading? Where does it tapper off (number of nodes, timeline length, NR, etc.)? How is it compared to a Windows 10 PC with an i7 6 core 3.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, and a 1080ti GPU card? I'm just trying to get a feel of what it can be useful for.

2. Is it possible to turn on dual displays on a single ultra-wide monitor?

I've been searching YouTube for any similar reviews and if anyone here is ahead of the pack with using the M1 with Resolve 17.1b, such info will be helpful to me and possibly others. I'm looking to get a second workstation set up for documentary and short form narrative, and occasional feature length (80-120minutes) timeline. The mini M1 can provide some mobility for me. Thanks!

EDIT: I forgot to mentioned that for this setup, I'm just looking to work on UMP G2 4.6K BRAW @ 24fps and P6K 5.7K BRAW @ 24fps on a 1080 timeline and render at 1080 for most of the project. Render time is irrelevant to me so it can take its sweet time to render.

I also found this YT video that tested some on the Apple Air M1 + DVR 17.1b, where the M1 is just the base model w/ 8Gb. I intend to get the mini with 16Gb and max drive sizes.



Your helpful experience and thoughts are appreciated before I drop a chunk of change for it. Buy or not to buy?
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostThu Dec 10, 2020 6:59 am

I'll tell you in about a week when I get mine!
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostThu Dec 10, 2020 2:39 pm

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:I'll tell you in about a week when I get mine!

Looking forward to it. Thanks!
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostThu Dec 10, 2020 10:48 pm

Well, here is a Debbie downer on the Macbook Pro M1 (probably true for all M1) and to reconsider buying it at all.
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PostThu Dec 10, 2020 11:13 pm

https://barefeats.com/m1-macbook-pro-vs ... vinci.html

although i am cautious about the barefeats tests.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostFri Dec 11, 2020 2:27 am

Ellory Yu wrote:Well, here is a Debbie downer on the Macbook Pro M1 (probably true for all M1) and to reconsider buying it at all.



Theresa makes a living consulting and building Hackintoshes, not sure I take all that she says as 100% objective.

Nonetheless, my M1 is supposed to arrive on Tuesday, so I'm hoping by the end of the week I will have it fully configured with Resolve 17 and running some actual renders from actual projects that I would normally render on my main workstation. I am not expecting the M1 to be faster, but I am curious to see just how much slower it is.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostFri Dec 11, 2020 2:51 am

She's the only one who reports such overheating, while all others are reporting how cool they are (in its literal meaning too).

Are all others lying, or could it be she has a bad fan or a heatsink problem? A single sample would not be proof enough for me.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostFri Dec 11, 2020 3:24 am

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:Nonetheless, my M1 is supposed to arrive on Tuesday, so I'm hoping by the end of the week I will have it fully configured with Resolve 17 and running some actual renders from actual projects that I would normally render on my main workstation. I am not expecting the M1 to be faster, but I am curious to see just how much slower it is.

If you have some long timelines with a few nodes per clip, some NR, even only on a 1080 timeline, that will be a good test. I'm not expecting the M1 to be faster than my current workstation, but performant enough to be a secondary systems for projects that are somewhat demanding (like some NRs, effects, a few nodes per clip, 3DLuts).

Uli Plank wrote:She's the only one who reports such overheating, while all others are reporting how cool they are (in its literal meaning too).

Are all others lying, or could it be she has a bad fan or a heatsink problem? A single sample would not be proof enough for me.

I agree. I think what she is insinuating is that if the components constantly have high level of temperature that the life of the system will severely be less; and seems like those numbers are coming from apps like Resolve that's more demanding to the system, and not day to day productivity apps.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostFri Dec 11, 2020 4:42 am

Well, such high numbers can stress silicon. But others have reported very different values while using Resolve or the Cinema4D stress test and they were using TG Pro too.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSun Dec 13, 2020 12:22 am

M1 chip with Noise reduction in DaVInci Resolve 17.1 b very sluggish.


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PostSun Dec 13, 2020 2:04 am

I’d expect that. Everything but a Nvidia 3080 or 3090 is sluggish with NR ;-)
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSun Dec 13, 2020 3:48 am

Uli Plank wrote:I’d expect that. Everything but a Nvidia 3080 or 3090 is sluggish with NR ;-)
I use Nvidia 2070super render same time line as M1 it use 4:20 min but M1 46:00 min


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PostSun Dec 13, 2020 4:39 am

The current M1 models are nice for some editing on the road and some basic grades even.
But NR, anything neural or demanding OFX? Forget it!
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PostMon Dec 14, 2020 3:58 pm

I was looking at the Mac Mini to replace my PC, but it looks like I may need to wait for the Mac Mini Pro or the iMac M1 (or maybe the M2). It looks like they are saving some options for a higher-end model.

I did find a way to 'cheat' trying it out. I've ordered a new Macbook Air M1 version for my daughter, so I'll be able to try one of my completed projects on her computer to see how it stands up with my normal workflow.
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PostMon Dec 14, 2020 4:17 pm

MrHotter wrote:... but it looks like I may need to wait for the Mac Mini Pro or the iMac M1 (or maybe the M2). It looks like they are saving some options for a higher-end model.

That's probably what I will have to do as well. It might take a year or more so I'll have to upgrade my PC with a 3080 or 3090 meanwhile.
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PostMon Dec 14, 2020 4:37 pm

Apple's biggest annual event, its Worldwide Developers' Conference, is in June. That's only six months from now. Sounds like a good time to show off a more powerful Silicon Mac :)
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PostTue Dec 15, 2020 8:48 pm

robedge wrote:Apple's biggest annual event, its Worldwide Developers' Conference, is in June. That's only six months from now. Sounds like a good time to show off a more powerful Silicon Mac :)

With the 3080 and 3090s all sold out and hard to buy, if not over priced right now by scalpers, six months is not that long to wait. I hope there will be more powerful and exciting Silicon Macs, particularly the mini. Although the rumor mill has it the Nvidea has a 3080Ti that has 20Gb VRAM coming out in February. If so, that might be something to look at for upgrading my system.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostWed Dec 16, 2020 2:40 am

I have done some test with Macbook Air M1 base model. Whilst it pretty impressive at first but when apply some grading and especially noise reduction it is perform badly.

I have compare the M1 with my PC which is 8700K 32GB Ram with 1080ti which is almost identical to what you are looking for. The video is in Thai but you can just look at the graph to see the result

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PostWed Dec 16, 2020 9:08 am

robedge wrote:Apple's biggest annual event, its Worldwide Developers' Conference, is in June. That's only six months from now. Sounds like a good time to show off a more powerful Silicon Mac :)


I'm kind of hoping they don't wait that long for the next round... thinking more like March/April? Time will tell I suppose.
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PostWed Dec 16, 2020 4:23 pm

Frank Engel wrote:
I'm kind of hoping they don't wait that long for the next round... thinking more like March/April?


Could well be. I see the WWDC as the latest date by which we are likely to see the next stage of the Mac Silicon rollout.
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Allright....fresh off the presses my tell-all video on my experience with Resolve on the Mac Book Air:

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PostSat Dec 19, 2020 2:42 am

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:Allright....fresh off the presses my tell-all video on my experience with Resolve on the Mac Book Air:



Thanks for this. Very helpful to have such a straight analysis.
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Kays Alatrakchi wrote:Allright....fresh off the presses my tell-all video on my experience with Resolve on the Mac Book Air:

Kays, thanks for making this. Very well made and the information was very helpful in my decisioning which is I will not make any move at the moment. I do need to upgrade my grfx card so come Feb/March, the 3080i may be on the market so I will look at buying that. By June, we will know what Apple will have in terms of a Mac mini. If the M1X or whatever newer and faster that's still affordable, then I will consider it to add to my workshop.
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PostSat Dec 19, 2020 7:12 am

Thanks from my side too. This is finally a realistic test for us DR users.
Hope somebody will do a similar one for Fusion.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSun Dec 20, 2020 3:10 am

PC World got a hold of an M1 through it's Macworld subsidary and did some comparisons yesterday.

Pugetbench Premiere performance ...the M1 Mac ...slower than many budget gaming laptops in many Premiere tasks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcworl ... 0.amp.html
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dondidnod wrote:PC World got a hold of an M1 through it's Macworld subsidary and did some comparisons yesterday.

Pugetbench Premiere performance ...the M1 Mac ...slower than many budget gaming laptops in many Premiere tasks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcworl ... 0.amp.html


Premiere has not been optimised for the M1 chip. When it gets updated, the tests will show a fairer comparison.

Also, according to the article PC World DID NOT have an m1 mac to test! Macworld did all the testing.

"While we don’t have direct access to an MacBook Pro M1, our sister publication, Macworld does, so we cribbed from its glowing review of the 13-inch MacBook Pro M1. Macworld also graciously ran a couple of additional tests for our analysis. For two other results, we relied on published results from Puget Systems, a bespoke system builder that manufactures workstations and rolls its own productivity-focused benchmarks."
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PostSun Dec 20, 2020 9:46 am

The Max Tech brothers got a new one with a pretty capable razer laptop, which finally didn't throttle when on battery:
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

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I have done some limited testing with Resolve on the base model M1 Mac mini. That's an 8-core with 8GB unified RAM and integrated GPU. Clips were EVA1 4K footage (that's a 10-bit 4:2:2 H.264 codec). Generally playback was fine in the 1/2 res mode.

I applied a V-LOG LUT, NR, and a basic grade. About 3 node in total per clip. I compared this against my 2020 iMac (8-core, 5700XT GPU, 96 GB RAM). This :60 spot rendered out to 4K ProRes in about 12 1/2 min on the M1 and about 2 1/2 min on the iMac. NR is the slowdown. My guess is that this large difference between Macs is due to the bigger GPU in the iMac. Had this been an Intel Mac mini with its integrated GPU instead of the iMac, then the M1 would have smoked it.

Other comparisons, especially with FCP, where typically a 2:1 difference. Adobe apps were the biggest challenge, especially with non-optimized codecs. OTOH, I had some 8K ProResHQ test footage (no extra effects) and that played and edited quite easily in all of the apps.

If you plan on buying an M1 mini, I would recommend the 16GB upgrade and a larger SSD than the base model. As far as displays, you can run a Pro Display XDR at 6K on Thunderbolt plus a 4K display on HDMI. I was running a 4K LG on Thunderbolt. Not sure about how it deals with widescreen displays.

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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostMon Dec 21, 2020 12:34 am

Oliver Peters wrote:I have done some limited testing with Resolve on the base model M1 Mac mini. That's an 8-core with 8GB unified RAM and integrated GPU. Clips were EVA1 4K footage (that's a 10-bit 4:2:2 H.264 codec). Generally playback was fine in the 1/2 res mode.

I applied a V-LOG LUT, NR, and a basic grade. About 3 node in total per clip. I compared this against my 2020 iMac (8-core, 5700XT GPU, 96 GB RAM). This :60 spot rendered out to 4K ProRes in about 12 1/2 min on the M1 and about 2 1/2 min on the iMac. NR is the slowdown. My guess is that this large difference between Macs is due to the bigger GPU in the iMac. Had this been an Intel Mac mini with its integrated GPU instead of the iMac, then the M1 would have smoked it.

Other comparisons, especially with FCP, where typically a 2:1 difference. Adobe apps were the biggest challenge, especially with non-optimized codecs. OTOH, I had some 8K ProResHQ test footage (no extra effects) and that played and edited quite easily in all of the apps.

If you plan on buying an M1 mini, I would recommend the 16GB upgrade and a larger SSD than the base model. As far as displays, you can run a Pro Display XDR at 6K on Thunderbolt plus a 4K display on HDMI. I was running a 4K LG on Thunderbolt. Not sure about how it deals with widescreen displays.

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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostMon Dec 21, 2020 6:31 pm

Oliver Peters wrote:My guess is that this large difference between Macs is due to the bigger GPU in the iMac.


It's a shame that eGPU's are not an option. I do hope Apple finds a way to enable eGPU on these machines. I would imagine that my Mac Book Air with a 5700xt or possibly a 6800xt attached would likely give my main workstation a run for its money.

I also imagine Blackmagic must be putting some pressure on Apple to enable eGPU's since the new Macs have made their own eGPU's useless.
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PostTue Dec 22, 2020 12:22 am

I don't know, but there may be reasons eGPUs won't work. Honestly I think that was a temporary stop-gap that Apple no longer cares about. I would expect the next series of Apple silicon chips to also feature more powerful GPU capabilities. That would be Macs slated for some time in 2021.

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PostTue Dec 22, 2020 12:35 am

I suppose eGPUs are at least not high on the list. I'd also assume Apple will bring forward more powerful internal solutions. The good thing is: if something is working well with Metal now, there should be no new software needed.

But if you need a powerful workstation right now, a well-equipped PC is still the answer.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostThu Dec 24, 2020 1:20 pm

eGPU would probably negate most of the advantages and speed improvements of unified memory arhitecture. We might see it supported when Apple finally develops and releases its own discrete GPU. It is not yet clear whether the arm Macs are going to support any third party graphic card for that matter. Even Thunderbolt/USB implementation is brand new with somewhat strange and unusual performance at this time. Things are going to become clear only with the release of arm based Mac Pro.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostThu Dec 24, 2020 4:39 pm

Ellory Yu wrote:2. Is it possible to turn on dual displays on a single ultra-wide monitor?

In the first post, I was asking about this.
As I research how to set up dual (or multiple) displays with the Mac Mini M1, I found this with folks having favorable results with it. I have not tried it but am sharing the link here in case you are interested in this topic as well.

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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSat Dec 26, 2020 3:18 am

This guy explains pretty well why Apple may not support third party GPUs or eGPUs with their new chips:
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSat Dec 26, 2020 12:58 pm

I think that Apple will continue to compete on performance and that it already knows how it's going to get there with the new chips. It's been using this technology for almost a decade, and I don't believe that it would announce a 24 month transition without knowing how to carry out that transition. The initial rollout appears to be going without a hitch, and I expect that Apple intends to keep it that way.

To me, the interesting questions are:

1. will Apple price memory and graphics performance at time of purchase competitively?

2. will be possible to increase memory and graphics performance after purchase, and if so, at what cost?

As a consumer, I'm only interested in what memory and graphics options Apple offers, before and after purchase, and what those options will cost. I don't care what the mechanics are. For example, Apple's current pricing for memory encourages purchasers of its desktop computers, at time of purchase and after, to buy memory from third parties and install it themselves. Apple is well aware of this, and I'm interested in how it addresses it with the new computers.

I think that we'll see a more powerful computer than the M1s in time for June's Worldwide Developer Conference. If it's a 16" MacBook Pro, as many think, it should at least partly answer these questions.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSat Dec 26, 2020 7:51 pm

RAM price will depend on the architecture of the future computers.

If the ram can be added later then the price will be high, to deter the customers from making a BTO computer if off-the-shelf one makes more financial sense.

If the ram can not be added later then they will try to make ram pricing more fair and reasonable and in line with other offerings.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSat Dec 26, 2020 9:30 pm

Dejan Špagnut wrote:
If the ram can not be added later then they will try to make ram pricing more fair and reasonable and in line with other offerings.


Yes, if that's the scenario I would like to think that Apple will make RAM prices, in particular for 32GB and above, more competitive than they are now.
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It’s not going without a hitch! There is not enough supply ;-)
I wanted to get one for Christmas to replace my wife’s aging laptop and they can’t even tell me when they’ll get the first samples. We are not exactly living in a third world country.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostSun Dec 27, 2020 2:36 am

Uli Plank wrote:It’s not going without a hitch! There is not enough supply ;-)
I wanted to get one for Christmas to replace my wife’s aging laptop and they can’t even tell me when they’ll get the first samples. We are not exactly living in a third world country.


There does seem to be some demand :) Apple's website just gave me a delivery date to the mainland U.S. of January 21, just under a month from now, for the 13" MacBook Pro in the screen capture.


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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

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I bought a mini mac M1 16GB memory. It was running fantastically with DV 17.1.

Then I started doing multiple Video lines of text and it started crashing constantly. I'm on my 4th crash tonight and I can't force quit it. It's quite horrendous really. I'm into 14GB of Memory used, and then it just gives up.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

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Text etc. layers in Resolve are badly implemented. People have performance issues on non M1 powerful machines as well. Crashes are annoying but it’s beta so nothing unusual.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostTue Mar 16, 2021 3:35 am

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Text etc. layers in Resolve are badly implemented. People have performance issues on non M1 powerful machines as well. Crashes are annoying but it’s beta so nothing unusual.


Ah ok fair enough thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Apple M1 + Resolve 17.1b

PostWed Mar 17, 2021 7:47 am

Sheraz wrote:I bought a mini mac M1 16GB memory. It was running fantastically with DV 17.1.

Then I started doing multiple Video lines of text and it started crashing constantly. I'm on my 4th crash tonight and I can't force quit it. It's quite horrendous really. I'm into 14GB of Memory used, and then it just gives up.


Do you have crash logs? Help menu, capture diagnostic logs immediately after a crash.
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