Caption 608/708 workflow

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Caption 608/708 workflow

PostThu Aug 01, 2019 2:35 pm

Hello, I just installed the DaVinci Resolve beta to try and replicate a workflow i have in Adobe Premiere.

I need to be able to export/deliver files with 608/708 captions embedded into video. I was able to create a SRT file in maccaption and import that into Resolve. However it looks like Resolve can only export 608 or 708, it cant do both. Unfortunately, asa broadcast network we need to be able to embed both into the same file.

Is there any way to embed both 608/708 files in the same clip?

If not is there any link to ask that this feature be included.

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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostWed Nov 27, 2019 2:24 pm

I just came across this while doing some research. I too need to be able to embed both 608 and 708 captions for broadcast delivery. Any solutions out there?

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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostFri Nov 29, 2019 7:17 am

I just delivered 70 spots for broadcast delivery. Closed Captions in Davinci Resolve are barely working in the 708 realm. 608 in DR looks fine but hardly anyone wants 608 anymore.

Current workflow. Render 608 captions in Davinci Resolve.

Open Premiere Pro and import 608 captions from DR render.

Convert 608 to 708 inside Premiere Pro.

Final export with 708 captions MUST be done from Premiere Pro.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DELIVER CLEAN, NORMAL LOOKING 708 CAPTIONS FROM DAVINCI RESOLVE.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostThu Mar 26, 2020 9:14 pm

+1 on this
We need to be able to embed a 708 closed caption file in the exported file for broadcast.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostFri Mar 27, 2020 10:17 am

Exactly!! Just to be able to properly embed 608 and 708 captions in XDCAM 422 would be a huge help. So much work needs to be done on captions in DR. It's certainly telling that I have to use Premier Pro for any broadcast deliveries.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostFri Mar 27, 2020 6:52 pm

I’m surprised more people aren’t having a issue Or complaining about this.
I import my exported files directly into our playout server for our small TV station. We are required to have closed captioning on everything. Previously we were on Macs using FCPX and used Mac Caption to create the closed caption Sidecar files. But now we moved to PCs and Resolve and I don’t have access to Mac Caption anymore. I was really hoping there would be a way to export .mcc for our playout server and also .vtt cc files for Vimeo. I know it will export .srt but these other options would be useful.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostSun Mar 29, 2020 5:57 am

IMO, the best workflow is currently:

1. embed 608 captions in DNxHD render.
2. import DNxHD in Premier Pro
3. Render .scc sidecar file in Premier Pro
4. Import .scc file back into Premier Pro and line up .scc file on timeline with DNxHD captions
5. Duplicate .scc file in Premier Pro and then convert duplicated file to .mcc file
6. Match up .mcc file on timeline with .scc file
7. Render XDCAM HD 422 Master with embed of both 608 and 708 in Premier Pro
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostWed Apr 29, 2020 3:27 pm

IsraEliteMedia wrote:IMO, the best workflow is currently:

1. embed 608 captions in DNxHD render.
2. import DNxHD in Premier Pro
3. Render .scc sidecar file in Premier Pro
4. Import .scc file back into Premier Pro and line up .scc file on timeline with DNxHD captions
5. Duplicate .scc file in Premier Pro and then convert duplicated file to .mcc file
6. Match up .mcc file on timeline with .scc file
7. Render XDCAM HD 422 Master with embed of both 608 and 708 in Premier Pro



Wow! Why does it have to be so difficult?
Hopefully Blackmagic Design will build in a Closed Caption feature in Resolve for broadcasters.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostThu Apr 30, 2020 11:03 am

RandyOK wrote:
IsraEliteMedia wrote:IMO, the best workflow is currently:

1. embed 608 captions in DNxHD render.
2. import DNxHD in Premier Pro
3. Render .scc sidecar file in Premier Pro
4. Import .scc file back into Premier Pro and line up .scc file on timeline with DNxHD captions
5. Duplicate .scc file in Premier Pro and then convert duplicated file to .mcc file
6. Match up .mcc file on timeline with .scc file
7. Render XDCAM HD 422 Master with embed of both 608 and 708 in Premier Pro



Wow! Why does it have to be so difficult?
Hopefully Blackmagic Design will build in a Closed Caption feature in Resolve for broadcasters.


It has always surprised me how BMD and plenty of others don't really care so much about Closed Captioning. Which is very odd because any professional delivering for Broadcast Media must have CC in the content. Especially when you consider that we can do everything else in the program for mastering, why not complete the loop with the final step, closed captions?
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostThu Apr 30, 2020 2:16 pm

It has always surprised me how BMD and plenty of others don't really care so much about Closed Captioning. Which is very odd because any professional delivering for Broadcast Media must have CC in the content. Especially when you consider that we can do everything else in the program for mastering, why not complete the loop with the final step, closed captions?


I agree. Closed Captioning is mandatory in the U.S. by FCC regulations. It would be a very welcome feature for those producing broadcast content.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostThu Oct 01, 2020 5:20 pm

I agree. I need 708 closed captions. BMD, step up.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostThu Jun 03, 2021 5:24 pm

Hi,

Has this workflow improved at all in v17? I notice I cannot embed captions into an OP1A MXF file if the codec is XDCAM (which is what my broadcaster requires). It works for DNxHD though.

I still can't see a way to do "paint on" captions either. My captions get rejected if they are not paint on.

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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostSat Jun 05, 2021 1:00 pm

I have all of the same issues. I use Adobe Premier Pro for caption delivery.

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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostFri Oct 29, 2021 11:59 am

Sounds like BM hasn't updated this in Version 17? that is a shame. Its the the one pushback i get from my management team when i tell them how much better resolve is then Premiere

"well we need Premiere to generate and broadcast 608/708 captions"

There are some solutions on the master control server side. Supposedly there are software upgrades that can be added that will generate 708 captions from 608 captions, or vice versa. But its cheaper and easier do this upon export.

Hopefully something that will be included soon...I get that resolve is geared for post production but I think you could make a point theres a large market that needs that level of functionality.
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostSat Dec 18, 2021 7:34 pm

On the topic of captions.. Has anyone been able to pass embedded 608/708 captions out a Decklink card? Or know developers that can help with this? I have tried the caption example in the SDK, it just puts "CEA-708 Closed Captions" caption text on the SDI monitor. There isn't anything that can just play a file out the SDI and pass captions..

Thanks!
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Re: Caption 608/708 workflow

PostSat Dec 18, 2021 7:37 pm

Steven Johnson wrote:I agree. I need 708 closed captions. BMD, step up.

Been at this for years with BMD... Please increase support for this BMD!

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