More file formats in the Delivery Room.

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More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostTue Jul 20, 2021 7:23 pm

This is something I think about regularly: the limited list of available Resolve export file formats.

I just came across this on a website talking about Premiere Pro: "Adobe Photoshop is a graphics tool used by 98 percent of all video editors. Fortunately, Adobe has also integrated a lot of Photoshop's image handling features into Adobe Premiere Pro. You can import most formats, including JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files." And one can also easily write out media in those formats as well.

98% of all video editors is a funny claim, but it **is** true that Premiere can both read and write nearly any conceivable file format. And sometimes I wish I could write out JPEG image sequences in Resolve just as easily as I can already write out TIFF files.

I heavily use JPEG proxies in my own VFX pipeline and being able to write those out of Resolve would be a big boon. It would also remove one more item from the shrinking list of things Resolve **can't** do that Adobe Premiere can. Even Final Cut Pro can export JPEG image sequences.

Sure, I can set up JPEG savers on clips through Fusion, but that is a pretty inelegant solution to do something that is drop dead easy in Premiere, and would be just as easy in the delivery room of Resolve. Bottom line, I feel the entire saver list from Fusion should be available in the delivery room of Resolve. It would make the UI more uniform and would be a real improvement.
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostWed Jul 21, 2021 3:34 pm

I'd like to see a new entry under Format called Image Sequence, with the various options like TIFF, Targa, GIF, JPEG, PNG etc. listed under Codec.
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostWed Jul 21, 2021 7:19 pm

Jim Simon wrote:I'd like to see a new entry under Format called Image Sequence, with the various options like TIFF, Targa, GIF, JPEG, PNG etc. listed under Codec.


The beautiful thing is you can already write TIFF image sequences directly out of the resolve delivery room. I'd just want more like that. Ironically, I can save photo JPEG codec quicktime movies out of Resolve. I just want the JPEGs as image sequences.
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But your suggestion isn't bad, it's just **your** preference, and I can appreciate that. As it is DPX, EXR, JPEG 2000, and TIFF are all image sequences. Would all those then go under your "codec" list?

Frankly, I don't care so much about the UI design as being able to just write out these files, JPEGs in particular. Me? I prefer fewer mouse clicks and so would rather JPEG just got added to the above format list. I suppose segregating more rare image file formats might be a good idea. TGA files, or Amiga IFF files (LOL) probably don't need to be front and center. But JPEG is ubiquitous and should, I believe, get immediate, direct access, just like EXR, TIFF, DPX, etc.

But boy, oh boy, do I really just wish Resolve would write JPEG image sequences!
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostWed Jul 21, 2021 8:34 pm

mattmerk wrote:Would all those then go under your "codec" list?
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostThu Jul 22, 2021 3:38 am

mattmerk wrote:This is something I think about regularly: the limited list of available Resolve export file formats.

I just came across this on a website talking about Premiere Pro: "Adobe Photoshop is a graphics tool used by 98 percent of all video editors. Fortunately, Adobe has also integrated a lot of Photoshop's image handling features into Adobe Premiere Pro. You can import most formats, including JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files." And one can also easily write out media in those formats as well.

98% of all video editors is a funny claim, but it **is** true that Premiere can both read and write nearly any conceivable file format. And sometimes I wish I could write out JPEG image sequences in Resolve just as easily as I can already write out TIFF files.

I heavily use JPEG proxies in my own VFX pipeline and being able to write those out of Resolve would be a big boon. It would also remove one more item from the shrinking list of things Resolve **can't** do that Adobe Premiere can. Even Final Cut Pro can export JPEG image sequences.

Sure, I can set up JPEG savers on clips through Fusion, but that is a pretty inelegant solution to do something that is drop dead easy in Premiere, and would be just as easy in the delivery room of Resolve. Bottom line, I feel the entire saver list from Fusion should be available in the delivery room of Resolve. It would make the UI more uniform and would be a real improvement.


What specific JPEG flavor.. please don't say all as that will just mean nothing will change.
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostThu Jul 22, 2021 7:24 pm

Peter Chamberlain wrote:What specific JPEG flavor.. please don't say all as that will just mean nothing will change.

I'm talking about the very same JPEG format written out of Blackmagic Fusion. Nothing special, really. Just the most basic-level, singular JPEG image format supported throughout the world of computer graphics. The only variables to the JPEG file format are compression amount (typically called "quality" in an inverse form: high quality = low compression) and yes/no to chroma subsampling (which should always default to "no.")

Fusion can already save JPEG files, though not through the Fusion page of Resolve, only in the standalone version. I feel early on in the Fusion integration within Resolve, one could force a saver node to write .jpg files by simply putting ".jpg" at the end of the file name. This appears to no longer be the case. Savers in the Fusion room within Resolve only seem to be able to save in the EXR file format.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, Peter, when you say, "JPEG flavor." What I am talking about is just the plain old, vanilla, JPEG file format that ends with the file extension .jpg.

Does that help? Did I answer your query?

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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostFri Jul 23, 2021 7:17 pm

I would like to second that request, certainly need a regular Jpg/Jpeg export option that isn't Jpeg2000. Thanks in advance
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PostSat Jul 24, 2021 8:36 am

I think it should support JPEG-1 from ITU-T T.871:
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostSun Jul 25, 2021 9:58 am

Since Fusion is now inside Resolve, it would be logical to expect export to any format (in Deliver) that Fusion Saver supports.
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostSun Jul 25, 2021 10:49 am

Sergey Mirontsev wrote:Since Fusion is now inside Resolve, it would be logical to expect export to any format (in Deliver) that Fusion Saver supports.

Conveniently Fusion inside Resolve only writes exr-s.
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostMon Jul 26, 2021 7:03 am

Hendrik Proosa wrote:
Sergey Mirontsev wrote:Since Fusion is now inside Resolve, it would be logical to expect export to any format (in Deliver) that Fusion Saver supports.

Conveniently Fusion inside Resolve only writes exr-s.

More formats are actually supported. You can change the extension manually to jpg, png or tga.
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostMon Jul 26, 2021 7:08 am

Sergey Mirontsev wrote:More formats are actually supported. You can change the extension manually to jpg, png or tga.

This had somehow evaded my conciousness, thanks for the tip!
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostThu Jul 29, 2021 1:10 am

Sergey Mirontsev wrote:
Hendrik Proosa wrote:
Sergey Mirontsev wrote:Since Fusion is now inside Resolve, it would be logical to expect export to any format (in Deliver) that Fusion Saver supports.

Conveniently Fusion inside Resolve only writes exr-s.

More formats are actually supported. You can change the extension manually to jpg, png or tga.

I honestly thought that didn't work, but I now see I have to add the .jpg extension in the inspector window, and not the file requestor.

Regardless, this isn't about jumping through hoops to set up multiple render outputs with separate in and out points for each clip in the delivery room based on setting up a fusion comp for each clip, but instead to request a code crash of the fusion saver list and just implement them directly in the delivery room (with extra emphasis on getting the standard JPEG file format already in Fusion standalone).

Then one could transcode many clips in a timeline with that timeline simply added to the render queue, and then setting the entire timeline to render "individual clips," "render at source resolution," and checking "place clips in separate folders."

Because if "Just do it in Fusion" is anyone's solution, I can already manually do that in the standalone Fusion, just with a lot more hassle. ;-)
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostThu Jul 29, 2021 3:26 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:I think it should support JPEG-1 from ITU-T T.871:
https://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp ... type=items

No JPEG XR, no JPEG 2000

The Resolve delivery room already supports JPEG 2000, and JPEG 2000 is a typical deliverable for DCP, so I don't think anyone would be interested in getting rid of it, since it is already there and is useful for some color related workflows.

But thank you, Robert, for the standards committee reference for JPEG. If this is what Fusion already writes, that is what I would want in Resolve's delivery room.
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostThu Sep 16, 2021 1:57 pm

+1 Yes, please
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Re: More file formats in the Delivery Room.

PostWed Nov 03, 2021 6:10 pm

And yet one more reason to support JPEG comes up today. I have to transcode 25 different DPX sequences into JPEG proxies for a VFX pipeline, and I really felt the pain of setting all that up in Fusion. For each DPX sequence, I wanted a Quicktime movie export, and a JPEG sequence. This was a huge amount of cutting and pasting nodes. Then at render time, everything slows wayyyyy down because Fusion wants to render everything at once. Doing this with a neat video denoise on every incoming clip is a recipe for bringing a computer to its knees.

I have resorted to TIFF files for this, and setting it up as two items in the render queue in Resolve took no time. And the renders happen with each clip sequentially, so it's fast.

I ask again, please just give us JPEG exports in Resolve. Please?
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