Support for ProRes Raw

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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostWed Sep 22, 2021 8:15 pm

Jeremy stepped down months ago and is still associated with the company in a Director's role.

But yes, maybe there is an opportunity. However what opportunity are you looking for? Do you think Atomos is stopping Blackmagic from offering ProRes Raw? Or would you like to see Blackmagic allow Atomos monitors to capture BRAW?
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostThu Sep 23, 2021 11:32 pm

jallen0 wrote:Jeremy stepped down months ago and is still associated with the company in a Director's role.

But yes, maybe there is an opportunity. However what opportunity are you looking for? Do you think Atomos is stopping Blackmagic from offering ProRes Raw? Or would you like to see Blackmagic allow Atomos monitors to capture BRAW?


If DR offers PRR there will be no incentive for atomos and apple to offer Braw. BRaw will be relegated to a small group. Thats where apple wants braw to b. bMD is not stupid. Right now ppr pro users cannot use DR grading so its hurting them to. Grant is holding steady and that's what he needs to do.

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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostFri Sep 24, 2021 10:38 am

Why would Atomos offer BRAW?
Start with fact that BM is not offering BRAW encoder to anyone. Never heard of an option to license it and do recorder based on it. I doubt that they would wanted to license it to Atomos anyway.
BRAW atm. in reality is just a BM internal format ( extra support through BM recorders is rather limited). ProResRAW doesn’t belong to any camera manufacture. It’s for everyone who wants to add support through Atomos recorders. This is quite a fundamental difference.

Decoding part is totally separate from encoding although if you think about it as formats war then it all links to each other as well.
BM/Apple can add support if they decide so without looking to each other.
It’s easier for Apple as they can just take BM SDK and implement it. BM needs to talk to Apple/Atomos to get SDK ad it’s not publicly available, but I would be very surprised if they said NO.

Neither side is in crazy strong position.
Resolve users deal somehow with ProResRAW and in the same time FCPX users deal with lack of BRAW. It would be great if support would be there on both side but it’s not end of the world.
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostSun Sep 26, 2021 10:43 am

Resolve supports all other flavors of ProRes, and BlackMagicDesign seems to be doing just fine. ProRes RAW will eventually get big enough that they will have to support it. As an industry leader it would be nice if they would support the indie film community by adding ProRes RAW instead of simply giving us the silent treatment.
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostSun Sep 26, 2021 4:36 pm

These 2 ProRes families are fundamentally different thing. They are linked just by ProRes encoding schema.
RAW format is rather special thing where standard ProRes is just another intermediate format.

Resolve still doesn't support ProRes encoding on Windows which is unproportionally bigger issue than lack of ProResRAW import ability,
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostSun Sep 26, 2021 7:58 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Resolve still doesn't support ProRes encoding on Windows which is unproportionally bigger issue than lack of ProResRAW import ability,


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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 8:12 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:These 2 ProRes families are fundamentally different thing. They are linked just by ProRes encoding schema.
RAW format is rather special thing where standard ProRes is just another intermediate format.

Resolve still doesn't support ProRes encoding on Windows which is unproportionally bigger issue than lack of ProResRAW import ability,


From a development integration standpoint, they are the same. Apple even supplies a full fledged SDK to integrate ProRes RAW into your app with minimal effort. Implementation would take less than a day if they wanted to add it.
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 10:55 pm

Exactly, but they server very different needs and here we are mainly focused on ProResRAW decoding engine. RAW encoding is very different story and it only concerns camera/recorders manufactures (not NLEs etc. world).
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostTue Sep 28, 2021 5:15 am

Yes Correct, ProRes Raw encoding is an acquisition codec. The ProRes RAW footage cannot be created by any other means other than directly from the camera’s Bayer sensor. Prores Raw decoding is all that is needed here. The SDK Apple provides is for decoding. What’s the hold up?
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostTue Sep 28, 2021 8:11 am

Bunny42 wrote:What’s the hold up?

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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostThu Sep 30, 2021 6:09 am

And here I am, having just recently made the move from Premiere to Resolve Studio, and then getting a nice surprise when Atomos releases an update for my Ninja V to allow 5k ProRes Raw recording from my R5.

I hurriedly run the update, configure the R5 and Ninja V to talk in raw and shoot a test clip.

Imagine my disappointment when I try to pull that file into Resolve Studio.

I personally have no love for Apple in general, so I couldn't care less about PRR specifically, but since that's what the recorder suppprts, it'd be really nice if my friggin editor could use it....
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostTue Oct 05, 2021 11:03 pm

BUMP.

ProResRaw import/edit in DR please. PLEASE, PLEASE, BEGGIN' ON MY KNEES PLEASE!
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostMon Oct 11, 2021 2:20 pm

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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostMon Oct 11, 2021 3:52 pm

I'm sure that when bmd gets most cameras to record braw through video assist and apple includes braw in fcpx then bmd will consider it. as of now some panasonic, sigma, fuji, and Nikon can record braw via video assist. So it's getting there.

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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostTue Oct 12, 2021 11:56 am

I half expected a public beta release of v18 this week as NAB 2021 was scheduled for this week before it was cancelled. Still hoping v18 will have ProRes Raw (but above all ProRes encoding on Windows).
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostTue Oct 12, 2021 4:17 pm

roger.magnusson wrote:I half expected a public beta release of v18 this week as NAB 2021 was scheduled for this week before it was cancelled. Still hoping v18 will have ProRes Raw (but above all ProRes encoding on Windows).


i think having NAB (and IBC and probably InterBee cancelled) gave Blackmagic a bit more time to polish whatever they are looking to show to us....
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostTue Oct 12, 2021 5:47 pm

IBC is happening in December.
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostTue Oct 12, 2021 9:31 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:IBC is happening in December.


ah! they moved it!...

let's see if they actually do it......
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Re: Support for ProRes Raw

PostSun Oct 17, 2021 10:21 pm

waltervolpatto wrote:
Andrew Kolakowski wrote:IBC is happening in December.


ah! they moved it!...

let's see if they actually do it......


fingers crossed, #hopeful
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