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Andy Mees wrote:

Mindstormer wrote:if fully customizable both for Resolve and even other software.

If you happen to be a Mac user then you can maybe have a look at Commandpost.io for support using the Speed editor with 'other software'.
https://commandpost.io/control-surfaces/resolve/

That is what I think BMD might be worried about?
The Speed Editor being used with other non-BMD software.

The problem is the longer BMD leaves this, the more likely it is that other solutions will be found, and the Speed of Editor use will fade away.
All that is needed is an SE Speed Editor mapping page in Resolve (as there is for normal keyboards now)
Otherwise, SE users will go for things like https://fluxkeyboard.com or the Sw hacks mentioned above to use the SE with other things.

Can anyone reach a blackmagic official on this issue? It's very illogical that they still don't do anything. A request that has been asked for almost 3 years. The huge inefficiency in the middle of this kind of efficiency device is truly incomprehensible.

5 pages of replies on here and still nothing.

Since it's possible to use the SE with a USB connection I wonder if it's possible to capture the usb data and remap it to standard keys.

Purchased a few months ago in a bundle with Resolve studio, used a couple of times and put back in its box...

michaelh99 wrote:5 pages of replies on here and still nothing.

I don't think this is the only thread touching on this either....

michaelh99 wrote: Since it's possible to use the SE with a USB connection I wonder if it's possible to capture the usb data and remap it to standard keys.

Many of us only use the SE via USB.
I have said several times that if it is not possible to change the SE firmware, it should be easily possible to add a remap page to Resolve alongside the keyboard remapping dialogue.

As it is a couple of people have posted links to hacks for redirecting SE keys to this thread, or one of the other similar threads, for doing the remapping to use with other apps So it is likely the SE has better support for use on other apps than it does in Resolve.....

I finally picked up a Speed Editor to test how it cuts multicam shows. I gave it my best effort for a few days but ultimately resorted to putting it back in the box.

I found it way too limited to use for any amount of time without having to constantly switch to a keyboard and mouse for certain basic actions, at which point my arms actually got tired lol. There are also some odd choices in which buttons got prime real-estate on the controller, such as the Smooth Cut transition being more accessible than a traditional split/blade cut. All in all, it's currently more frustrating to use than the problems it's trying to solve.

However there's so much potential for this beautiful piece of hardware, and I hope to see some flexibility added in the future to expand what is currently a pretty limited use case.

Peter Chamberlain wrote:I understand most will want complete flexibility, but please humor me, please list what current keyboard shortcut functions you would like on the multicam keys.

I Istill have a hope on this!

The best scenario would be if I can just configure as I want, like in the keyboard customization, but if its not possible, at least I´d like to have option to configure cams 1 - 9 as follows:

Ripple start to play head (Ctrl+shft+[)
Ripple end to play head (Ctrl+shft+])
move playhead in 1 frame increment foward
move playhead in 1 frame increment backward
enable/disable clip
go 1 clip left/right
Swap Clips Towards Left (Speed have it in another way, but doesnt have to use jog for this would be good)
Swap Clips Towards Right

I undestand maybe BM does this to avoid users using speed editor in other softwares, but I really would be in love if they open for us the option at least to configure 7, 8 and 9 keys LOL I think this would not be a problem to them

I have to use always the keyboard in add to speed editor, I really can´t accept this hehe specifficaly in remote/travel laptop setups

Help us here, BM, we believe in you lol!

We should keep this issue at the forefront, and I also recommend writing this request to email support of BM.

Firatdede wrote:We should keep this issue at the forefront, and I also recommend writing this request to email support of BM.

You think that will do any good? BMD look at this forum and there are multiple thread on this, since the day the SE came out, including a couple of posts by BMD staff.

Just writing to say I bought a Tourbox because of the Speed Editor's lack of ability to remap keys.

jamedia wrote:

Firatdede wrote:We should keep this issue at the forefront, and I also recommend writing this request to email support of BM.

You think that will do any good? BMD look at this forum and there are multiple thread on this, since the day the SE came out, including a couple of posts by BMD staff.

Isn't it better to do something than nothing? If everyone wrote this all the time, maybe it would become a priority, otherwise they won't do anything anyway.

Firatdede wrote:

jamedia wrote:

Firatdede wrote:We should keep this issue at the forefront, and I also recommend writing this request to email support of BM.

You think that will do any good? BMD look at this forum and there are multiple thread on this, since the day the SE came out, including a couple of posts by BMD staff.

Isn't it better to do something than nothing? If everyone wrote this all the time, maybe it would become a priority, otherwise they won't do anything anyway.

I agree we need to keep plugging away at it, and I do, it was more a swipe at BMD simply not paying attention to users.

jamedia wrote:That is what I think BMD might be worried about?
The Speed Editor being used with other non-BMD software.

The Speed Editor costs more than Resolve, they give a free license of Resolve with the Speed Editor and Resolve has free updates. It seems to me like there is no downside to selling more Speed Editors even if they end up getting used in other software. Of course, BMD should make it clear that they will only provide official Speed Editor support when using it with Resolve, however you are free to use it "as is" in other software.

I would love to be able to use the Speed Editor in Reaper. I'll have to look into this to see if anyone has made it work yet.

I don't think this is about the "fear" that this hardware will be used with other programs. The keybindings are most certainly handled inside resolve.

Its infuriating that there is something like https://commandpost.io/control-surfaces/resolve/ where you can remap keys to work in Final Cut, but not in Resolve.

And I don't think this is me finding some edge use cases. I would use it nonstop on the edit page if I could just

- Play in to out
- Ripple Start to Playhead
- Ripple End to Playhead
- Move clips to different tracks

etc etc...

We have a DaVinci Resolve Editor Keyboard, it's great, but for regular typing, it sounds like a machine gun going off. So I rather have a normal Keyboard + SE.

shinjin wrote:We have a DaVinci Resolve Editor Keyboard, it's great, but for regular typing, it sounds like a machine gun going off. So I rather have a normal Keyboard + SE.

The fun part is that the Editor Keyboard offers -almost- all functions of the speed editor + more. There is for example no audio level button, which wouldn't require any more physical buttons. You have to use the speed editor for that. which is weird. same for ypos, and i think a few more. It would make more sense (in a non-commercial mindset) to have all functions of the speed editor also available on the editor keyboard. plus, there are some downsides of the editor keyboard compared to a "normal" keyboard. there is no backspace, no pageup/pagedown/home/end, the "f" keys need and extra modifier key ("fn"), etc. In theory it could be so much better.

Rick van den Berg wrote:

shinjin wrote:We have a DaVinci Resolve Editor Keyboard, it's great, but for regular typing, it sounds like a machine gun going off. So I rather have a normal Keyboard + SE.

The fun part is that the Editor Keyboard offers -almost- all functions of the speed editor + more. There is for example no audio level button, which wouldn't require any more physical buttons. You have to use the speed editor for that. which is weird. same for ypos, and i think a few more. It would make more sense (in a non-commercial mindset) to have all functions of the speed editor also available on the editor keyboard. plus, there are some downsides of the editor keyboard compared to a "normal" keyboard. there is no backspace, no pageup/pagedown/home/end, the "f" keys need and extra modifier key ("fn"), etc. In theory it could be so much better.

The Audio Level button is literally next to the red Full View button.

The Y Pos button is on the Close Up button.

ShaheedMalik wrote:The Audio Level button is literally next to the red Full View button.
The Y Pos button is on the Close Up button.

Shaheed, Rick and Leonhard are commenting about the Speed Editor's older brother, the 'DaVinci Resolve Editor Keyboard', which apparently doesn't have these keys.

Waiting for the customization, hadware is nice but software way too limited

+1 for me for controlling other software

I love contour shuttle that I have and this is why Speed Editor is sitting idle most of the time. It was even sleeping in the original box for quite a long time.

BMD please make it more universal and easy to use. Take notes from Contour Shuttle Pro v2 - the software even as limited as it is - with macros and stuff = perfect. I believe that BMD team can make this idea even better.

Hardware Alt and Shift keys will elevate to the square the customizable keys.

Also ergonomical design to avoid to move the wristl while editing with left hand (the other hand is on the mouse or trackpad).

Otherwise there are more professional hardware alternatives to Speed Editor, including a QWERTY keyboard.

jamedia wrote:
+1
How many people are running 9 cameras?

I reckon the only guy using 9 cams to shoot is the guy in that Multicam instructional video that I saw... you know the one with the live band.

emn8or wrote:

jamedia wrote:
+1
How many people are running 9 cameras?

I reckon the only guy using 9 cams to shoot is the guy in that Multicam instructional video that I saw... you know the one with the live band.

There will be other people using 9 cameras otherwise BMD wouldn't have done it but I would suggest they are a very small percentage of the market for the SE.

jamedia wrote:

Jeremy Gadd wrote:I'd like to be able to assign shortcuts. For example, I'm not using the 9 cam buttons so I'd like to be able to use Cam 1 as Previous Edit or next marker etc.

+1
How many people are running 9 cameras?

Well, I run 7 camera's for festivals but even then I would like programmable keys.
Problem is that on the Speed editor the numbers are like a calculator with the '1' at the left bottom while the layout in Resolve is like a phone with the '1' at the top left. Very confusing

So now I've programmed the number keys on my normal keyboard to match the sequence in Resolve. The speed editor is only used as an expensive scroll wheel.

+1

Betatester wrote:

jamedia wrote:Problem is that on the Speed editor the numbers are like a calculator with the '1' at the left bottom while the layout in Resolve is like a phone with the '1' at the top left. Very confusing

I am confused, but then I don't use multi-cam in Resolve even if I have 2 or 3 cameras. The SE keypad is 1 on the bottom left, like calculators and the number section on most computer keyboards. So that seem natural to me. Where does resole have it the other way round?

I think I have found it... Do you mean in the multicam viewer the Cam1 clip is top left? I suppose that is logical going down the page because you don't know how many cameras there are going to be. Could it be set to go the other way? Or if using the Speed Editor have a fixed grid of 9 in the same format as the SE?

jamedia wrote:Do you mean in the multicam viewer the Cam1 clip is top left? I suppose that is logical going down the page because you don't know how many cameras there are going to be.

See picture

Betatester wrote:

jamedia wrote:Do you mean in the multicam viewer the Cam1 clip is top left? I suppose that is logical going down the page because you don't know how many cameras there are going to be.

See picture

No picture visble I had to dig out the link and out it in a browser.
EDIT, picture has appeared now!!

Yes, I see the screen layout of the clips is "the other way up" to computer keyboards, the Speed Editor cam-set and the full Resolve Editor Keyboard... As it is going to be difficult to change all the hardware keyboards it would be better if resolve had the option to have that scree the opposite way up or if using the SE an option for a fixed 3*3 grid with one at the bottom left.

+1

plse bm, let us remapp

No need custom maps, I would simply settle with a switch where you can change from multi cam functions to edit functions.
That would help BM to keep DR and their hardware protected from 3rd parties and keep BM users satisfied.

jamedia wrote:

Peter Chamberlain wrote:I understand most will want complete flexibility, but please humor me, please list what current keyboard shortcut functions you would like on the multicam keys.

I think if you ask 100 people, you will get 101 answers.
If you put the remapping in the keyboard remapping section of Resolve them, people will have more choice depending on what they want to do.
Some want to use the SE on the edit page, others on the Fairlight page. IT depends on what BMD want to do.

I know that BMD has panels for Fairlight but the entry level one is 10x the cost of my 12 channel mixer and for my use audio is not a big thing. (usually 1 lot stereo music, up to 4 mics + occasional sound effects) so using the SE on Fairlight as some as asked for is a good idea as these people, like me won't be buying any Fairlight panels anyway. Ditto colour page.

One thing I do want for the SE is the ability to turn off the Bluetooth (via USB) until i turn it back on (again via USB) so that the Bluetooth is permanently off when in transit or not connected to USB. The failure to do this is a major design error.

This^

Make the keys user mappable, we all have our own way of working; let us choose how we assign the keys. You'll sell many, many more SE if you do this. I'd like to assign the top row of numbers (or the bottom left row of keys, which I don't use) to the trim edit modes on the edit page, for instance; others might not.

Here to request customizable keys. This thing is gonna become a paper weight in the next few days if not. So lame.

fujiboy.mp4 wrote:Here to request customizable keys. This thing is gonna become a paper weight in the next few days if not. So lame.

There is another thread asking for a change in the way audio files are imported. A LOT of people backed this and said it was a good Idea. (Because 99.99% of users don't want the default) However, BMD have just gone in the opposite direction in V19B3. So it may be the more we ask for this, the less likely it is to happen.