Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

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Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostWed Jul 08, 2020 7:56 pm

It'd be nice if you could "decouple" the position/tracking of Power Windows on Shared Nodes, so that you can share the color-correction setting across clips, but each clip could have its own independent window tracking.

A use case would be when grading a series of talking heads, where you've created a windowed Hue Vs. Hue curve to fix the subject's skin tone (windowed, because their skin tone was also very close to the color of their wardrobe), but the position of the heads move around from shot to shot. I'd like to be able track the window on each shot independently, but preserve the Hue Curve settings as Shared setting.

This could give you the best of both worlds of Grouped Clips vs Shared Nodes.
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostWed Jul 08, 2020 9:23 pm

Wouldn't you use the Shared Node for the color, and normal nodes for the tracking?
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostWed Jul 08, 2020 9:38 pm

Jim Simon wrote:Wouldn't you use the Shared Node for the color, and normal nodes for the tracking?


Not if I want the color settings within the tracked windows to be shared across multiple clips.
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostWed Jul 08, 2020 10:55 pm

Mel Matsuoka wrote:Not if I want the color settings within the tracked windows to be shared across multiple clips.


I'm confused. When you track a power window, you're creating an animated alpha channel. Why couldn't that be fed to a shared node?
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostWed Jul 08, 2020 11:14 pm

Mark Grgurev wrote:
Mel Matsuoka wrote:Not if I want the color settings within the tracked windows to be shared across multiple clips.


I'm confused. When you track a power window, you're creating an animated alpha channel. Why couldn't that be fed to a shaded node?


Very good point. I actually do use this method for creating master key sources for downstream nodes, but for some reason in the current job I'm doing, that method never occurred to me. Thanks for the reminder.

That said, It'd still be nice if you could decouple the window from the Shared Node color settings, if only to minimize the opportunity for messy node graphs when doing things like this.

Also, until Resolve adds the ability to copy & paste multiple nodes as objects, then this "decoupled" concept would still be better, because I wouldn't have to constantly copy and paste the window node separately from the grade node.
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostWed Jul 08, 2020 11:44 pm

Mel Matsuoka wrote:Very good point. I actually do use this method for creating master key sources for downstream nodes, but for some reason in the current job I'm doing, that method never occurred to me. Thanks for the reminder.


Yea I hate when that happens lol

Mel Matsuoka wrote:That said, It'd still be nice if you could decouple the window from the Shared Node color settings, if only to minimize the opportunity for messy node graphs when doing things like this.

Also, until Resolve adds the ability to copy & paste multiple nodes as objects, then this "decoupled" concept would still be better, because I wouldn't have to constantly copy and paste the window node separately from the grade node.


I'm very anal about implementation so I can't +1 this idea until I can imagine a way this could be implemented in a clean way.
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostThu Jul 09, 2020 12:26 am

Mark Grgurev wrote:
Mel Matsuoka wrote:That said, It'd still be nice if you could decouple the window from the Shared Node color settings, if only to minimize the opportunity for messy node graphs when doing things like this.

Also, until Resolve adds the ability to copy & paste multiple nodes as objects, then this "decoupled" concept would still be better, because I wouldn't have to constantly copy and paste the window node separately from the grade node.


I'm very anal about implementation so I can't +1 this idea until I can imagine a way this could be implemented in a clean way.


The obvious way to implement this is to simply add a "Detach from Shared Node" option to the flyout "…" menu for a selected Power Window, under the "Copy/Paste Track Data" items.

I also think it would be a good usability enhancement to change the way the window outline looks for Windows that are attached to shared nodes (perhaps a different bounding box color?), so it's clear that the window is a Shared one, and will affect other nodes if changed.
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostThu Jul 09, 2020 4:08 am

Make a two node structure, one with the power window that feed the key to the shared nodes....
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Re: Option to decouple Windows on Shared Nodes?

PostThu Jul 09, 2020 2:17 pm

I'm still thinking this would not be a good idea as a new feature. That the desired result can be achieved using what we now have.
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