Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

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Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostTue Apr 16, 2024 1:26 am

We have a Behringer X AIR XR18 which is tablet controlled.
https://musiccritic.com/equipment/studi ... tal-mixer/

We ran audio TRS AUX cable to the ATEM.
We tried connecting to the Speaker output.
We tried connecting to the Headset output.
We tried both settings on the ATEM mic input.

All we got was a loud Hmmmm!

How do I get it to work?

The music portion of our Church Service would be better though the Sound Board.
The Sermon is better heard though my Sennheiser MKE6000 or a wireless lapel mic.
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostTue Apr 16, 2024 2:10 am

I don't have direct experience with this mixer but from the specifications, connecting the Main Left and Right XLR outputs of the XR18 to the TRS inputs on the ATEM using a proper XLR to TRS cable, has the correct balanced +4 dB signal required for the ATEM. Using these connections, you should not get hum both being balanced and seemingly the correct outputs. I hope this helps.

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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostTue Apr 16, 2024 2:03 pm

Gary Adams wrote:I don't have direct experience with this mixer but from the specifications, connecting the Main Left and Right XLR outputs of the XR18 to the TRS inputs on the ATEM using a proper XLR to TRS cable, has the correct balanced +4 dB signal required for the ATEM. Using these connections, you should not get hum both being balanced and seemingly the correct outputs. I hope this helps.

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Thanks Gary,
Do I use line or mic setting on the TRS input on my ATEM mini Extreme?
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostTue Apr 16, 2024 9:02 pm

lower MASTER fader on XR18 to send to ATEM MINI trs .. -10 dB ? or -20 dB ..
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostTue Apr 16, 2024 10:58 pm

Ok. Roman points out that I may have misunderstood which ATEM you are connecting. Please give me the model ATEM. I was thinking out Constellation with 1/4 TRS but if it s the Mini as Roman suggests then ignore my comment. You will need to convert balanced to unbalanced and drop the level as Roman suggests. I apologize if I was incorrect about the switcher model.

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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostWed Apr 17, 2024 9:38 am

I am using an ATEM mini Extreme in the Sanctuary.
The main Left and Right mains are being used for other stuff so I will not have exclusive control.
I will be using splitters and converting two XLRs to single 1/4 TRS stereo at the X AIR 18.
The cable is 1/8 TRS at the ATEM connection.

Will I need to convert the Balance or unBalanced condition? How?
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostWed Apr 17, 2024 11:44 am

You will need something like the StageBug SB6 from Radial Engineering. There are many manufacturers that make products like this.

You will need to feed the AUX outputs from the XR18 to the inputs of the StageBug with two balanced XLR to TRS cables (link). Then from the outputs of the StageBug with one unbalanced cable with two TS jacks to one stereo mini-jack (link).
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostWed Apr 17, 2024 3:11 pm

These StageBugs are not cheap and it sounds like I would need two.
I there a less expensive solution? I could not find anything else.

I ordered their 2 channel version for $150. It will be worth it, if it works.
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostWed Apr 17, 2024 3:49 pm

The correct physical adapter would work but you'd still get all of the hum as well. The primary function of the box is to decouple grounds and provide common mode rejection. Using the transformer will result in a much cleaner signal. The transformer will provide the most benefit when plugged in on the Atem side of the run.

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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostWed Apr 17, 2024 10:05 pm

RRRoger wrote:I am using an ATEM mini Extreme in the Sanctuary.
The main Left and Right mains are being used for other stuff so I will not have exclusive control.
I will be using splitters and converting two XLRs to single 1/4 TRS stereo at the X AIR 18.

do you have any AUXes free ? for example 5-6 ? use it as subgroup of main mix .. Insert to it Precision limiter .. And set ouput to -10 or -20 dB ..
RRRoger wrote:Will I need to convert the Balance or unBalanced condition? How?

Im using this one :
MIXPULT into XLRs inputs of DTI, and 2x CINCH to 1/8 TRS cable to output of DTI

https://www.thomann.de/intl/art_dti.htm

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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostSun Apr 21, 2024 4:40 pm

What does 2x CINCH mean?

Hmmm, I don't seem to be having much luck so far.
I put a hum reducer on the soundboard a now get a reduced hum but no music.
If I change the mic port on the ATEM to Line, I don't get any sound at all.

I ordered 3 different units and only tried one so far on the two available AUX ports of the X AIR.
I will be trying the DTI next.
DTI was much louder than Pyle PHE 400

The StageBug SB6 is supposed to be here tomorrow
as is the PYLE PD22 which has a 0/20/40 switch on it.
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostMon Apr 22, 2024 12:07 am

RRRoger wrote:What does 2x CINCH mean?

Hmmm, I don't seem to be having much luck so far.
I put a hum reducer on the soundboard a now get a reduced hum but no music.
If I change the mic port on the ATEM to Line, I don't get any sound at all.

I ordered 3 different units and only tried one so far on the two available AUX ports of the X AIR.
I will be trying the DTI next.
DTI was much louder than Pyle PHE 400

The StageBug SB6 is supposed to be here tomorrow
as is the PYLE PD22 which has a 0/20/40 switch on it.


The Stagebug SB6 is a stereo unit, so you will not need two. BTW, the ATEM Mini Extreme audio inputs are both Stereo inputs.

2x XLR Female to 1/4" TRS Male Cable (these go from your XAir aux outputs to the StageBug SB6)
1x 3.5mm TRS to Dual 1/4" TS (1.5' or less to minimize noise) (This combines your left and right into one stereo 3.5mm jack)
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostMon Apr 22, 2024 1:47 am

Thursday, I will be trying the Behringer Power Play 16.
It is a mini mixer that gets it's feed and power from the Ultranet distributor
that is connected to the Behringer X AIR=16.

I will be using the two mono 1/4 jacks from the P16 converted to 1/8 TRS stereo plugged into the ATEM mic jack.
If it works, I should be able to adjust the individual sounds from instruments and vocalists.
I can monitor the cumulative results to my LiveStream broadcast from the ATEM.
This will require separate headsets for the P16 mini mixer and ATEM mini Extreme
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostTue Apr 23, 2024 9:30 pm

RRRoger wrote:Thursday, I will be trying the Behringer Power Play 16.
It is a mini mixer that gets it's feed and power from the Ultranet distributor
that is connected to the Behringer X AIR=16.

I will be using the two mono 1/4 jacks from the P16 converted to 1/8 TRS stereo plugged into the ATEM mic jack.
If it works, I should be able to adjust the individual sounds from instruments and vocalists.
I can monitor the cumulative results to my LiveStream broadcast from the ATEM.
This will require separate headsets for the P16 mini mixer and ATEM mini Extreme


The quality of the audio from the P16s is not good, IMO. Do any of the cameras you use have XLR inputs? It might be worth a try, too. Some cameras also have 3.5mm stereo inputs, but I think the quality wouldn't be better than injecting audio into the ATEM. This is assuming the aforementioned StageBug solution doesn't work.
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostWed Apr 24, 2024 7:27 am

RRRoger wrote:What does 2x CINCH mean?


CINCH is sometimes used to describe to RCA Phono connectors. (These connectors are often described as RCAs, Phonos, Cinches etc.)
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostThu Apr 25, 2024 1:59 pm

[/quote]

The quality of the audio from the P16s is not good, IMO. Do any of the cameras you use have XLR inputs? It might be worth a try, too. Some cameras also have 3.5mm stereo inputs, but I think the quality wouldn't be better than injecting audio into the ATEM. This is assuming the aforementioned StageBug solution doesn't work.[/quote]

I have two BlackMagic 4k cinema Pocket cameras with powered mini XLR inputs.
I would have to run a XLR cable either to the camera from the sound room or a fiber optic HDMI cable from a remote controlled camera in the sound room to my station near the Podium.

Is XLR capable of Stereo throughput?
The Sennheister MKE 600 is mono that I am using with the cameras and all the outputs on the Behringer X AIR-16 are mono too.

I will find out about the P16m tonight.
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostThu Apr 25, 2024 5:17 pm

RRRoger wrote:I have two BlackMagic 4k cinema Pocket cameras with powered mini XLR inputs.
I would have to run a XLR cable either to the camera from the sound room or a fiber optic HDMI cable from a remote controlled camera in the sound room to my station near the Podium.

Is XLR capable of Stereo throughput?
The Sennheister MKE 600 is mono that I am using with the cameras and all the outputs on the Behringer X AIR-16 are mono too.

I will find out about the P16m tonight.


The camera's audio input is a single channel, so it would be mono. That may not be a bad thing, as mixing in stereo can be complicated, especially if you don't have a separate mix engineer/volunteer to run the live stream mix, instead of a FOH person running both. I'm not sure where you have the Air unit, but I'd guess it's located on the stage. If you can run an XLR from the Xair unit to a camera with less than 100' of cable, that's not a terrible solution, considering your alternatives. If you do decide to do this, be absolutely certain that you can turn off phantom power at the camera, as that could possibly destroy your aux output at your Xair. Oh and make sure you tape the cable so that the weight of the cable isn't on the audio input port, as that would be a not-so-fun way to find your camera's audio jack destroyed one lovely day.

For this solution, you would just need a long XLR cable and this adapter or one similar:
(Male Mini XLR to Female XLR)
https://www.amazon.com/KONDOR-BLUE-BLACKMAGIC-Adapter-Microphones/dp/B07JLGTJ3J/
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostFri Apr 26, 2024 2:07 pm

The BlackMagic pocket cinema camera send stereo over HDMI.
Is XLM cable capable of stereo or only mono?

It will probably be Sunday before I can test the Behringer (personal sound board) and it's output.
No matter how I set up the X AIR, it gives me either nothing or a loud hum.
I have tested and returned 5 hum eliminators.
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostFri Apr 26, 2024 4:25 pm

RRRoger wrote:The BlackMagic pocket cinema camera send stereo over HDMI.
Is XLM cable capable of stereo or only mono?

It will probably be Sunday before I can test the Behringer (personal sound board) and it's output.
No matter how I set up the X AIR, it gives me either nothing or a loud hum.
I have tested and returned 5 hum eliminators.


I have a feeling that your hum is probably a ground loop, resulting from you connecting some PC or mac to the switcher via HDMI and also to your mixer.

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Is this the case for your setup?
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostSat Apr 27, 2024 1:36 pm

adrumsolo4u wrote:
RRRoger wrote:The BlackMagic pocket cinema camera send stereo over HDMI.
Is XLM cable capable of stereo or only mono?

It will probably be Sunday before I can test the Behringer (personal sound board) and it's output.
No matter how I set up the X AIR, it gives me either nothing or a loud hum.
I have tested and returned 5 hum eliminators.


I have a feeling that your hum is probably a ground loop, resulting from you connecting some PC or mac to the switcher via HDMI and also to your mixer.

Ground Loop_small.png


Is this the case for your setup?


NO, the sound man carries around a tablet to control the X AIR-16
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostSat Apr 27, 2024 1:44 pm

RRRoger wrote:NO, the sound man carries around a tablet to control the X AIR-16


This isn't for control; it would be for something like ProPresenter for churches. Basically a CG and media playout PC.

You could try disconnecting all your HDMI inputs and only connecting the audio from the XAir to see if there's a ground loop via HDMI.
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Re: Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

PostSat Apr 27, 2024 1:54 pm

The Behringer P16m is a dream come true.
The sound man fiddled with it for 20 minutes and even tried a 2nd unit and then going back to the first before getting anything out of it except a very low buzz.

Then it came to life!

I can control 16 individual channels, adjusting the sound on each (Volume-Base-Mid_Treble), putting them anywhere on a Stereo band and then saving all the settings. My unit does not effect any other nor the output from the X AIR

This is fun!

We will hear the results for the music portion of the Service on YouTube and FaceBook Sunday.
I will continue to capture the Sermon with my Sennheiser MKE600

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