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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostFri Jan 26, 2024 2:51 pm

what is the "camera setup utility" ???
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PostFri Jan 26, 2024 2:55 pm

Page 74 onwards in the user manual
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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostFri Jan 26, 2024 3:22 pm

OMG... I'm soooo stupid :) Thanks a lot... I own two BMPCC4K, but I never thought, the camera setup could do anything on the BMMSC4KG2, except installing a new firmware... which there isnt, anyway...

and YES, I've read the full manual when I ordered this camera, but this was months ago... :(

thanks again, it works now!


Holy #@$%, it's even better: when I'm in camera setup tool on a PC in the same network, when I connect the cam, it's autodetected and I get remote full access...

nice, ftp & http works...


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PostSat Jan 27, 2024 3:07 am

Today I got all 6 Micro G2's and I saw that it comes with Gyro Stabilisation. Yeah, that's so great and the image quality is great. What a cam.
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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostSat Jan 27, 2024 9:23 am

I did quite some tests with gyro, even with gyroflow..
a lumix 14mm, 45 degree shutter angle, but I'm not very satisfied with the results... did you test yet?
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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostTue Jan 30, 2024 6:14 am

Hopefully someone can answer this...

The original Micro Studio 4K supported RAW over SDI...

Can someone confirm if this is still the case with the G2?
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PostTue Jan 30, 2024 12:40 pm

Michael Kropfberger wrote:I did quite some tests with gyro, even with gyroflow..
a lumix 14mm, 45 degree shutter angle, but I'm not very satisfied with the results... did you test yet?
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I just watched a video on YouTube and the guy said Blackmagic confirmed to him there is a problem with the gyro data.
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PostTue Jan 30, 2024 3:22 pm

ShaheedMalik wrote:I just watched a video on YouTube and the guy said Blackmagic confirmed to him there is a problem with the gyro data.


ARGH. I hope it's firmware fixable... :(
can u link the video?
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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostTue Jan 30, 2024 3:28 pm

RikshaDriver wrote:Hopefully someone can answer this...

The original Micro Studio 4K supported RAW over SDI...

Can someone confirm if this is still the case with the G2?


No its removed. Only Braw via USB-C.
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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostWed Jan 31, 2024 9:46 pm

RikshaDriver wrote:Hopefully someone can answer this...

The original Micro Studio 4K supported RAW over SDI...

Can someone confirm if this is still the case with the G2?

It supports output at 4K UHD 12G.
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PostFri Feb 02, 2024 10:05 am

I just learned painfully, that the framerate can't be changed in the menu or via REST API if the HDMI connection is active (? to an ATEM switcher ?) , as the HDMI framerate then determines the so called "Project Frame Rate". At least mentioning this in the manual would have been helpful....
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PostSun Feb 04, 2024 4:11 pm

again I hope, someone from Blackmagic is reading this:
when in the audio menu, it's a pity that you dont see live audio levels for setting the gain right...
it's click and guess, exiting the menu, checking, going back into menu and so forth...

BTW: what's the right way to have some BMMSC4kG2 firmware whishlist placed in the forum? another thread?

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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostWed Feb 07, 2024 12:28 am

Can two Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 cameras be genlocked?
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PostWed Feb 07, 2024 3:55 am

For now the only way to lock them is through an Atem. There is no provision for burst or tri-level sync on the camera.

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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostWed Feb 07, 2024 5:00 am

Can I power the camera from a 14.8V battery via D-Tap, without a regulator?

The BMPCC4k can take 12-20V, so unregulated works fine and I have done this for years.

However, the Micro G2 only says 12V - I can't find anything that indicates it can take a range.
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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostWed Feb 07, 2024 5:27 am

Blackmagic confirmed to me that the input range for the Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 is 12V to 19.6V.


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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostWed Feb 07, 2024 10:04 am

Viktor Laga wrote:I just learned painfully, that the framerate can't be changed in the menu or via REST API if the HDMI connection is active (? to an ATEM switcher ?) , as the HDMI framerate then determines the so called "Project Frame Rate". At least mentioning this in the manual would have been helpful....

I came across the same issue. We only do livestreaming, and are completely FHD HDMI-based here. So in order to change the camera's framerate, I had to dig up a 4K monitor to plug into, because the BMSSC 4K will not output anything on an FHD monitor (but has no problem connecting to an (FHD) ATEM Mini). This is very unfortunate. It would be really nice to have way more control over the camera settings, either from ATEM Software Control or network (Camera Setup only allows some basic, mostly networking stuff).

My second issue is with the temperature. Will have to grab my IR cam to check it, but the HDMI plug was already too hot to touch. Is that to be expected?
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PostWed Feb 07, 2024 3:56 pm

The camera outputs FHD on both outputs.

The Atem (like most pro CCUs) overrides local, and remote (it seems), control of many functions.

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dawnsen wrote:Can I power the camera from a 14.8V battery via D-Tap, without a regulator?

The BMPCC4k can take 12-20V, so unregulated works fine and I have done this for years.

However, the Micro G2 only says 12V - I can't find anything that indicates it can take a range.


When I first ran this "test" I realized after a couple hours that I hadn't planned my day very well. I recorded 2 hours and 10 minutes of 12:1 before the card was full and the battery was still at 80%.

TLDR: Ultimately I got 9 hours and 10 minutes from an IDX iMicro 98.

The camera was connected to an electronic lens (Lumix 12mm) and continually recording to a Samsung USB C drive, which needed to be cycled several times. I scrubbed the footage from each cycle before reformatting, no issues.

The 256 GB drive will record Q0 up to 30fps. I was initially a little surprised the drive worked as well as it did. I was unkind to the media and never lost a frame. I would let the drive fill to the bitter end, each time with no issues. I expected to lose the footage after the power died and still the footage was good.

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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostMon Feb 12, 2024 8:34 am

Do you mean you ran the test you have described with a non-regulated cable?

What have you mounted v-mount plate to in this photo? Is it a dummy LP-E6 with female screw threads...?
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PostMon Feb 12, 2024 8:03 pm

Just a regular (Alvin's) Dtap-DC barrel.

The printed lpe6 dummy bolts to a Smallrig V Mount plate.

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PostMon Feb 12, 2024 9:27 pm

Howard,

That's a nice design.
Is the dummy battery just PLA or some other stronger filament?
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PostTue Feb 13, 2024 6:11 am

I mostly use Overture Pla+ which prints at about 210C.

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PostTue Feb 13, 2024 7:10 am

Howard Roll wrote:I mostly use Overture Pla+ which prints at about 210C.

Good Luck


Thank you for sharing the info Howard.
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PostTue Feb 13, 2024 8:42 am

Howard Roll wrote:The printed lpe6 dummy bolts to a Smallrig V Mount plate.

Hi Howard,
would you mind to please upload the files to thingiverse? There are lpe6 dummies, but none of them has the holes for screws and so on...
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PostWed Feb 14, 2024 11:01 pm

I don't think that print will be very useful as there's hidden geometry specific to the Smallrig plate.

This might work better. Don't know what else I might need to attach, fiber IO, wireless, tally?

Good Luck

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PostThu Feb 15, 2024 8:13 am

Thanks Howard! :)
I assume, you used the smallrig cheese plate 1598... so it's easy to reuse your great design!
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Re: All about: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 (BMMSC 4

PostThu Feb 15, 2024 2:25 pm

I was not able to adjust the shutter via ATEM Camera Control is this a known problem?
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PostThu Feb 29, 2024 4:04 pm

Exposure Issue

I have just got this camera and it it is working brilliantly except for the auto exposure which consistently under exposes by around 2 stops. I have tried it with two different lenses - Panasonic Leica 15mm 1.7 and Olympus 12-40 2.8 and both under expose the same. The Panasonic lens also flickers backwards and forwards between stops. Has anyone else had similar problems? I can set exposure manually through the menu but it is a real pain.
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PostFri Mar 01, 2024 6:08 pm

Julyan wrote:I can set exposure manually through the menu but it is a real pain.


I cant help you on your real issue, but did you realize, that you can change the aperture on the up/down arrows stepwise? I would love to see this as a configurable setting to use up/down eg. for ISO as well... then it would be usable again...

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PostFri Mar 01, 2024 7:34 pm

The Lumix 12mm f1.4 exhibits the same exposure chasing behavior. Even manual aperture control is steppy.

The Panasonic BGH1 has a couple fundamental advantages when it comes to exposure. The first is that aperture is remotely available in 1/10th stops and the changes ramp smoothly. The second is an EI, using the exposure index I can decide where I want the exposure to land. The BGH1 overexposes (to my taste) so I use an EI of -1 2/3.

I would consider the ability to smoothly shade a live camera fundamental to operation in a studio environment. There’s currently no way to shade a live micro cam without it looking like a mistake.

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PostFri Mar 01, 2024 7:36 pm

Howard Roll wrote:The Lumix 12mm f1.4 exhibits the same exposure chasing behavior. Even manual aperture control is steppy.

The Panasonic BGH1 has a couple fundamental advantages when it comes to exposure. The first is that aperture is remotely available in 1/10th stops and the changes ramp smoothly. The second is an EI, using the exposure index I can decide where I want the exposure to land. The BGH1 overexposes (to my taste) so I use an EI of -1 2/3.

I would consider the ability to smoothly shade a live camera fundamental to operation in a studio environment. There’s currently no way to shade a live micro cam without it looking like a mistake.

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Have you tried using the Blackmagic Zoom Demand with the onboard dial set to adjust iris? I used this in a studio setup on the Olympus 12-50 and it was a pretty smooth adjustment stopping down.


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PostFri Mar 01, 2024 7:52 pm

It’s good news if that works because it would indicate more sophisticated mapping exists. My cams are all remote so local control is of little assistance.

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PostSat Apr 13, 2024 5:21 am

If Blackmagic is able to add the ability for the MSC4KG2 to _play_ its BRAW video clips from an external SSD (via a firmware update), that will probably get me to buy a MSC4KG2 instead of the new PYXIS 6K camera. Here's hoping ...
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PostTue Apr 30, 2024 9:47 pm

Any news on the updated Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 firmware with additional gyro fixes?
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PostThu May 23, 2024 6:54 pm

+1 , what's the gyro status?

Also, does SDI still only output a clean feed ?

Thibaud wrote:- False Colors / Status Text / Zebra, etc can ONLY be set on the HDMI, that's quite a bummer. I don't understand why SDI is forced to Clean Feed. It was super practical to toggle Status Text / Zebra / False Colors remotely
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PostThu May 23, 2024 6:59 pm

Michel Rabe wrote:+1 , what's the gyro status?

Also, does SDI still only output a clean feed ?

Thibaud wrote:- False Colors / Status Text / Zebra, etc can ONLY be set on the HDMI, that's quite a bummer. I don't understand why SDI is forced to Clean Feed. It was super practical to toggle Status Text / Zebra / False Colors remotely
Yes, as if now SDI only puts out a clean feed. My guess is that BMD knows most users will use SDI for direct broadcast and not for monitoring. However you can turn on monitor indicators (focus peaking, false color, etc.) on what ever monitor you are using. The clean feed mostly creates an issue if you want to change camera settings and are monitoring off of the SDI. My hope is BMD may change this but who knows.


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PostThu May 23, 2024 8:21 pm

Unfortunately I would want to use it as a cinema camera and use the SDI to send wireless video to the 1st AC. But that is useless if there is only a clean feed (as AC needs to check other things too).

This could be a box version of the Pocket 4K but some of their decisions make it hard to use as such :/
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PostFri May 24, 2024 12:35 am

If it means reduced latency I’ll take a clean SDI out all day. Wireless hdmi isn’t exactly rare.

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PostFri May 24, 2024 7:46 am

Howard Roll wrote:If it means reduced latency I’ll take a clean SDI out all day. Wireless hdmi isn’t exactly rare.


Yes but usually HDMI out has latency, hence why SDI out is preferred for wireless video. But a clean feed is not what you want to send to the AC (needs to check more things than just focus).
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PostFri May 24, 2024 9:06 am

I think the hdmi output from this camera has less delay than you assume. I’ve owned a half dozen of the G1s and now a G2 and I’ve never noticed an appreciable amount of delay monitoring with hdmi. There are reasons that I also would like to have menus, LUTS, and displays on the SDI out but avoiding hdmi latency is not among them.

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PostFri May 24, 2024 10:17 am

Sounds good but may need to test.
The Pocket 4K had quite some latency. I would want to pair the BMMCC G2 with a DJI Focus Pro to make use of Lidar. But it's 3D Waveform will only be sent when using DJI's own transmission system, and that has some latency as well. So every ms / frame of delay counts for critical focus pulling.
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PostSun May 26, 2024 9:14 am

Can this camera play clips from its SSD?
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PostSun May 26, 2024 10:08 am

Marcel Lavide wrote:Can this camera play clips from its SSD?

no, it can't :(
at least as of today, maybe a new firmware will bring the playback menu of the BMPCCs

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PostMon May 27, 2024 9:30 am

Very Thanks.

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PostMon May 27, 2024 9:52 am

I was thinking of using the "Focus and Zoom demand" handles to control the camera.
However, the conectivity is USB-C. Any experience how long those USB-C cable can be?
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PostMon May 27, 2024 8:13 pm

10-15 feet? If it’s just USB like a keyboard/mouse there are kvm extenders and such. Companion can be configured to send the command as well.

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PostTue May 28, 2024 5:50 pm

Howard Roll wrote:10-15 feet? If it’s just USB like a keyboard/mouse there are kvm extenders and such. Companion can be configured to send the command as well.

Good Luck


That length will not be enough :?
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PostWed May 29, 2024 6:08 am

willvontagen wrote:Have you tried using the Blackmagic Zoom Demand with the onboard dial set to adjust iris? I used this in a studio setup on the Olympus 12-50 and it was a pretty smooth adjustment stopping down.



just had a look at your video where you use the Blackmagic Zoom Demand to control the settings of the Micro. Will, do you have the possibility to test longer USB-C cables - maybe around 8-10 meters?
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PostFri May 31, 2024 7:59 pm

Sorry Guys, I deleted this post and move it to a more suitable thread which I found after writing it.
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