Two way transmitter for camera

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Artem Lubashev

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Two way transmitter for camera

PostSat May 20, 2023 2:24 am

Hello,

We live stream in a church. One of the cameras is handheld (BM Pocket Cinema 6K). We connected it with this - ACCSOON CineView HE Wireless Video Transmission System.

The problem is it sends a signal one way, from the camera to the switchboard. As a result, the operator doesn't know when he is live or previewed.

Is there a similar system that can send signals both ways?

We tried communicating over the radio (You are live! You are off!), but that is just exhausting and tough in a loud environment.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostSat May 20, 2023 2:50 am

I found stuff like that
Hollyland Mars M1 Wireless Video Transceiver.

It can receive and transmit signals. But how to connect it to my camera? It would require another transceiver, but I can find nothing.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostSat May 20, 2023 2:05 pm

It sounds like you want wireless tally lights? There are various ways to do this including an app on a phone and things like cuebi.

Wireless headsets are also available from Eartec. And if you are in a loud environment get the ones that cover both ears :-).
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostSat May 20, 2023 2:08 pm

avhjunior wrote:It sounds like you want wireless tally lights? There are various ways to do this including an app on a phone and things like cuebi.

Wireless headsets are also available from Eartec. And if you are in a loud environment get the ones that cover both ears :-).


It's not only tally light. If we can send signal back, we would be able to control camera from the switch board and adjust colors.

But thank you very much for the suggestion! If we can't figure out what I wanted, it would be a viable alternative!
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostSat May 20, 2023 2:31 pm

I see- you want two-way for HDMI or SDI to your camera. I know some wireless transmitters/receivers talk to each other to find the channel. You might try accsoon after-sales support at support_en at accsoon.com.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostSat May 20, 2023 2:46 pm

avhjunior wrote:I see- you want two-way for HDMI or SDI to your camera. I know some wireless transmitters/receivers talk to each other to find the channel. You might try accsoon after-sales support at support_en at accsoon.com.


Will try to contact them now, thank you!
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostSun May 21, 2023 6:21 pm

We have both ways:

Camera to ATEM: https://www.dwarfconnection.com/dc-link-pro
ATEM to Camera: https://www.broadcastgear.eu/products/wrcu/

great system. Both work every sunday since 1 Year. Camera has to be in internal synch.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostSun May 21, 2023 11:01 pm

Artem Lubashev wrote:the operator doesn't know when he is live or previewed.
We solve that with wireless comms. Also allows me to direct the camera-op about what shot I want, so may be a better overall solution here.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostWed May 24, 2023 10:00 pm

marco.rychlik wrote:We have both ways:

Camera to ATEM: https://www.dwarfconnection.com/dc-link-pro
ATEM to Camera: https://www.broadcastgear.eu/products/wrcu/

great system. Both work every sunday since 1 Year. Camera has to be in internal synch.


Looks like it is exactly what I was looking for, but the cheapest system is $3000, which is a bit too much for our 2,000 cameras. Heck, I got so excited, and then disappointed in a span of 10 minutes.

Thank you very much for the response though! I will keep the name of the product in my notes, and when we upgrade everything take it back to light :)
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostWed May 24, 2023 10:05 pm

Jim Simon wrote:
Artem Lubashev wrote:the operator doesn't know when he is live or previewed.
We solve that with wireless comms. Also allows me to direct the camera-op about what shot I want, so may be a better overall solution here.


That's what we do now, but since the operator is right next to the stage it isn't very reliable, sometimes he can't hear commands clearly. Also, it's annoying to tell all the time "You are live, you are off," and we want to add another camera like that which is going to make it a whole new level mess.

I believe we will go with Cuebi tally lights - they are $500 for two, not that terrible. It doesn't solve the problem of controlling the camera from the switchboard, but can't find something better yet.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostWed May 24, 2023 10:09 pm

marco.rychlik wrote:We have both ways:

Camera to ATEM: https://www.dwarfconnection.com/dc-link-pro
ATEM to Camera: https://www.broadcastgear.eu/products/wrcu/

great system. Both work every sunday since 1 Year. Camera has to be in internal synch.


What church do you serve? Would like to see your product :)

We are just growing and trying to make something watchable yet, so we look at Red Rock Church and Elevation style and try to improve what we can.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostTue May 30, 2023 9:41 am

https://www.middlethings.co/apc-r-controller/ for camera control
https://www.middlethings.co/middle-tally/ for tally

I would also suggest upgrading your comms. Being able to communicate clearly to your camera operators should not be underrated. They don't just need to know when they are on, but need to know in advance when you plan to go to them so they don't suddenly change their shot before receiving tally. Industry standard is to use camera numbers to distinguish between cameras, so for example: "coming to 1" *cut to 1* "on 1". You should also be directing the cameras, because you can see all the camera angles and what the end product looks like, whereas they can only see things from their perspective.
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Re: Two way transmitter for camera

PostWed Jun 07, 2023 11:05 pm

Blair Christensen wrote:https://www.middlethings.co/apc-r-controller/ for camera control
https://www.middlethings.co/middle-tally/ for tally

I would also suggest upgrading your comms. Being able to communicate clearly to your camera operators should not be underrated. They don't just need to know when they are on, but need to know in advance when you plan to go to them so they don't suddenly change their shot before receiving tally. Industry standard is to use camera numbers to distinguish between cameras, so for example: "coming to 1" *cut to 1* "on 1". You should also be directing the cameras, because you can see all the camera angles and what the end product looks like, whereas they can only see things from their perspective.


That's great suggestion!

Our technical director have found the Middle Thing (APC-R), we just connected it and saw it doesn't transmit tally signal. And then I see your suggestion of tally light! Thank you very much!

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