Re: ursa mini - live
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:01 pm
John, Where is that LIKE button if you need it
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=40495
Tom_Bassford wrote:Yes but the firmware is still too early, they haven't done the CCU control yet and are only supporting digital B4 lenses etc etc.
Xtreemtec wrote:John, Where is that LIKE button if you need it
Tom_Bassford wrote:Come on John the only way to get things moved to off topic is to start asking about shipping timescales.
Tom_Bassford wrote:We are all waiting with baited breath for the email from Grant this afternoon where he tells us that they are refreshing the whole ATEM range and dropping support for anything below 8k.
Tom_Bassford wrote:Preorder now for a disappointing wait for 1 year at which point we will send you a different product with a different spec and a range of inconsistent faults.
JohnBengston wrote:
Do you think so???? WOW exciting, although I think 8K will be a bit of a pain to transfer between machines, but I guess 10G networks are coming down, so maybe...
we can but hope.
Too negative!!, think positive!!!! 2016 could be the year all issues and missing bits that annoy customers are fixed with every product in the BMD lines.
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Tom_Bassford wrote:What over IP like the rest of the industry is doing? Nah we will get 48G SDI. It will go down a single BNC for about an inch.
JohnBengston wrote:Like you, very excited what will be announced by Grant in the coming days, perhaps if we spin this topic into a "what exciting new things are BMD bringing to NAB?", "what will different people find useful? and in what kind of use-cases", and "Will they ever release a camera with a set of features and mounts suitable for live production?". Surely we'll get it locked that way?
Next I will describe the new software update that turns URSA Mini into a fantastic high end studio camera because it adds all the features broadcasters loved about our studio cameras including built in color corrector, lens control, talkback, tally and the ability to change settings all via external SDI. Now this is all available in URSA Mini so it can be used as a studio camera for live production.
This update also adds 1080 HD interlaced video and a video lookup table on the SDI output, so you can use the camera with any broadcast switcher. Most of the studio camera features lie dormant until you plug the camera’s SDI program input into a switcher that supports the SDI control protocol. Our ATEM switchers, even the $995 ATEM Television Studio model, all output full SDI camera control so using these powerful features is easy!
The headphone connection will now become your talkback headset connection and you will be able to hear the director. The viewfinder record indicator will now become a tally indicator and when your camera is on air the viewfinder light will illuminate. Any settings the switcher operator wants to change can be done remotely so camera operator so can focus on the live action!
JohnBengston wrote:Well worth watching the video on the main BMD website. My previous criticisms are most invalidated by the latest firmware update for this camera.
Tom_Bassford wrote:It's going to take a while for them to actually ship any of this of course but it's pretty exciting to see them heading back in the right direction.
Tom_Bassford wrote:Best not watch any live TV ever then if you don't want to see 1080i....
Jacquot wrote:would this canon lens with an ursa mini be a good option ?
http://cvp.com/index.php?t=product/canon_cn-e18-80
Xtreemtec wrote:This is the 3G prototype model, not 4K yet.. But 4K is in development right now..
Fiber is a Hybrid with 2 power connections and 2 strands of SM fiber. 100W of power can be drawn from the box at 14 volt.
With return video channel which on the Ursa mini good for CCU, Talkback and tally...
Dave Del Vecchio wrote:The Canon CN-E 18-80mm T4.4 doesn't have a huge zoom range compared to a lot of B4 lenses...
Tom_Bassford wrote:The question isn't "does the ursa mini stand up against 2/3rd inch broadcast cameras?"
Tom_Bassford wrote:As far as I'm concerned the URSA Mini fills a gap in the market. It provides TV style workflow in a camera system which costs less than 10% of the industry standard Sony cameras.
Yoann Lebreton wrote:what is the trick to use ursa mini 12G SDI with a 12G Atem for long distance. Because there is no 12G sdi to fiber. The only option today is to use a common sdi but with poor distances?
Tarek Saneh wrote:We need fibre optic cable solution with power, a box with fiber converter and power, the cable will have 2 strand optic and power for the camera and converter
Tom_Bassford wrote:No the canon / Panasonic / Sony options don't provide anything like a broadcast workflow.
They have no Tally, no comms, no return video. The 3rd party bolt ons which add these things are cumbersome expensive and little more than a bodge job.
Tom_Bassford wrote:Show me a $40,000 S35 live production camera? There aren't any that I know of.
Tom_Bassford wrote:Your in cuckoo land if you think that any Blackmagic camera is ever going to deliver what top line Arri cameras do.
JohnBengston wrote:I've got my fingers crossed we'll see both 12G single and quad link SDI on those Teranex 12G Mini optical converters.
Tom_Bassford wrote:Out of interest which cameras do you currently use?
Tom_Bassford wrote:The production aesthetic that is possible with the HDC1500 type cameras is better not because of a pixel peeping image quality improvement, it is better because the workflow is actually designed for live production, and the shots work.
Tom_Bassford wrote:The workflow is key, and URSA is breaking new ground here by providing a truly professional workflow at a price point which is previously unheard of. I disagree that blackmagic already provide the workflow of tally / returns and comms to any camera, It simply isn't the case, the camera converter doesn't provide returns to the viewfinder, nor is it integrated into the camera, and there isn't a low cost solution for putting a hired in digisuper 100 on any of these existing low cost cameras.
Tom_Bassford wrote:An HDC1500 is what about £500/day to rent. URSA Mini will be closer to £100/day. The ability to put it on 100x zoom becomes very relevant at that point and makes a good FOH shot possible on crappy festival budgets.
The appeal of URSA is getting comms/returns/tally integrated with a sensible cable (single jacket not a huge loom) not depending on external monitors, additional batteries, comms packs and all the rest of the crap. It's offering a level of integration which isn't possible currently without having budget for triax / smpte fibre cameras.
People will buy it for the numbers and the supposed image quality. People will enjoy it (and keep using it) because of the integrated features which ape a triax system.
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At the End if the Ursa 4.6k channel will cost me around 12000$ with basic b4 20x fujinon HD lens
Tom_Bassford wrote:The appeal of URSA is getting comms/returns/tally integrated with a sensible cable (single jacket not a huge loom) not depending on external monitors, additional batteries, comms packs and all the rest of the crap.
Tarek Saneh wrote:When people talk about large sensor in live production (live on TV or Internet) it make me laugh, give me a 20x parfocal lens for S35 under 10000$ i will buy 10 pieces tomorrow, simple it doesn't exist.