ATEM television . Audio input?

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ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 9:38 am

I am using ATEM Television
can i ask mostly how to capture the audio from audio panel during the show?
i know some people will using a HDMI via a camera.
But there is cable to take the audio from panel, right?
what is the part no of the cable? Does anyone know?

Thx!
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Re: ATEM 1 . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 9:56 am

dont forget , that U need delay machine for perfect audio/video sync ..
http://audioatem.com
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Re: ATEM 1 . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 10:48 am

That cable is shipped with the ATEM 1. It is in the box
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 12:24 pm

Sorry xtree ., mine is Atem television. not atem 1.

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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 12:42 pm

The television studio only has AES in. So you either embed the audio on a camera (will be in sync automatically that way) or you use a digital mixer or other audio unit to bring digital audio into the TVS trough the AES in that is on the cable that comes with the unit (this way you will need to delay the audio when everything is not genlocked).
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 1:24 pm

atem is delaying audio embeded in input signal (hdmi,sdi) ?
http://audioatem.com
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 1:58 pm

No the atem is not delaying it. As the camera where you plug in the audio will sync it with it's video. ;)

In the Atem it just get stripped and processed as audio. But on the output of the atem. Audio is faster then video so it seems..
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 2:22 pm

so the best and cheap way is put a camera behind the ATEM.
get the audio from panel and plug into the camera then get the audio via HDMi.
Correct?
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 2:30 pm

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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Mar 04, 2013 9:34 pm

so the best and cheap way is put a camera behind the ATEM.
get the audio from panel and plug into the camera then get the audio via HDMi.
Correct?


The cheapest way is to input the audio at a camera, yes. But of course the camera is in front of the ATEM, and not behind it.

When video is going trough there is some delay at the camera. With professional camera's that can be genlocked there will be much less delay compared with semi or non-professional camera's that have no genlock.
The ATEM will add a delay upto one frame to that also, because it needs to use it's frame synchronizers to get the video sources in sync with the internal clock.
When you input the audio at the final stage of the ATEM, the video will have had a much longer path with multiple frames delay, while the audio had a minimum delay and a short path. So the audio will be ahead of the video that way and needs to be delayed to get in sync.

When you input the audio into one of your camera's and put that trough the internal audio mixer to the program out, the audio travels the same path as the video, also gets frame synchronized, and will get in sync on the program out. It can differ within one frame of latency from other camera's than the one you did input it to, but that will be close enough to look lip-sync anyway. At least when you use the same camera's. Using different semi or non-pro camera's like this could cause a problem where every camera has another amount of frames delay.
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostTue Mar 05, 2013 12:10 am

Xtreemtec wrote:No the atem is not delaying it. As the camera where you plug in the audio will sync it with it's video. ;)

In the Atem it just get stripped and processed as audio. But on the output of the atem. Audio is faster then video so it seems..

But ATEM add delay to video .. So Audio&Video will be out of sync ..
http://audioatem.com
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostTue Mar 05, 2013 8:14 am

Pytkin wrote:
Xtreemtec wrote:But on the output of the atem. Audio is faster then video so it seems..

But ATEM add delay to video .. So Audio&Video will be out of sync ..
The same anwser ;)
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostTue Mar 05, 2013 9:44 am

OK .. so again .. u need audio delay machine , for use audio in ATEM ..
http://audioatem.com
http://tally.pytkin.sk
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostTue Mar 05, 2013 12:21 pm

Check the expected video delay by using the document in the link below.
http://atemuser.com/sites/default/files/admin-tom/Atem_DelayManagement.pdf

When the expected video delay is more than 1-2 frames, you'll need audio delay. When not, try without....
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostTue Mar 05, 2013 2:51 pm

I would like to remind that in the Mini Converter line there is the AUDIO to SDI product. If you have SDI sources in your setup, you can add that converter before ATEM TVS and embed the externally mixed audio on one of the SDI inputs.
That product has 4 inputs for analog, so if you want to leave 1st audio pair intact, you can connect the externally mixed stereo to channels 3&4.

Mini Converter models can be found here:
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/miniconverters/models/
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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostTue Mar 05, 2013 4:00 pm

Do you have any way to access channels 3/4 of the sdi embedded audio? is it passed thru or encoded in the h.264 output/

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Re: ATEM television . Audio input?

PostMon Aug 22, 2016 12:11 am

Hi ... I am a new user of the ATEM TV Studio in a secondary school environment.
Getting audio into the ATEM TVS perplexed me for a while with most threads recommending a Behringer device to convert analogue to AES/EBU with many other comments dealing with impedance matching and XLR vs BNC issues.
I did a bit of research and decided to purchase a (relatively) cheap device from Altronics (and I believe Jaycar also supply them)~$50AUD. Part number A3198 'Stereo Audio to Digital Audio converter'. This device has a stereo RCA analogue input and either an RCA or Fiber digital output (SPDIF).
I also purchased a short RCA to BNC cable, plugged it in, selected 48kHz on the adapter and plugged in an audio source ... voila it all worked.
My only bug is that I cannot monitor the audio through my laptop using the ATEM TVS software but it will monitor off the Media Express software.
Cheers
Robert Gilchrist :)

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