Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

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Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostSat Jan 05, 2019 1:02 am

Hi all,
I just picked up an Ultrastudio 4K (second hand but brand new in box never been used on a gig) to run graphics at a rowing event next month and I'm having difficulty with an external key/fill at 1080 50p.

I am running png assets out of Qlab 4 with LiveKey (set to external key) on a MacBook Pro 2018. When I set the output surface to 1080 25p in Qlab it works beautifully. I get a good clean black and white key and a crisp fill out of the SDI A & B. However when I change the US4K through Qlab to run at 1080 50p the fill still works, but the key turns into this strange washed out grey image and has vertical lines across it (see picture below. Yes I'm using Donald Trump's face to test it.) I am testing the key by plugging the SDI directly into a Shogun so I know that this issue is occurring before the signal reaches my ATEM TV Studio.

I've tried swapping out the cable, trying a different computer, I've reinstalled Desktop Video and rolled it back a few versions and nothing seems to work. Have I got a dud unit?
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostMon Jan 07, 2019 10:07 pm

Early versions of the UltraStudio 4K firmware did not support keying in 1080p50/60 resolutions. According to the Desktop Video release notes, this support was added in Desktop Video 10.9.5:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/suppor ... f1ceccd30f

So you might try that specific Desktop Video version (just in case something about the keying support was broken in later releases).

Also, you will likely need to set the SDI output format to Single Link (rather than Dual Link) in the Desktop Video utility to make sure that it outputs 3G SDI over a single cable.

You could also try testing with the Blackmagic LiveKey utility (included with Desktop Video) to see if you get any different results than you do with QLab.
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostTue Jan 08, 2019 6:04 am

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the response. I rolled back the firmware to 10.9.5 but still got the same output. I changed the sdi output to single link and that didn't seem to work either. I am also wanting to do my key as an external key inside an ATEM TV studio anyway which requires two sdi cables connected to the switcher. I am running livekey alongside qlab already.
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostSun Oct 06, 2019 7:57 pm

I have this same issue, sirkendizzledid you ever get it to work properly?

I have the same setup as you and I just simply can not get it to work :-/
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostSat Jun 01, 2024 12:31 pm

An old topic but I have the same problem, anyone?
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostSun Jun 02, 2024 9:49 pm

what is your problem ? Im using ultrastudio mini with caspar and it works perfect ..
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostMon Jun 03, 2024 8:53 am

The same problem as the topic starter.
As well as internal as external key gives a grey output with stripes at the B sdi output. But when enabling the Blackmagic testlogo in the Blackmagic Livekey app the logo shows white on a black screen like it should be.
I tried all kind of different Desktop Video Setup versions, from very old 2019 till the newest 14.0 but nothing solves the problem.
There are more users with this problem as I can read in the forum but no solution is mentioned.
See image what I mean.
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostMon Jun 03, 2024 11:42 pm

It deppend from your software .. I seen problems with RESOLUME .. IM using Caspar CG and it works allways ..
http://audioatem.com
http://tally.pytkin.sk
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostTue Jun 04, 2024 7:12 am

I’m using the provided Blackmagic software (Media Express) as well as Mitti. In Mitti the keyer is greyed out so I have to use the Blackmagic Livekey app.
Both my MacBooks have this problem. (Intel with Monterey).
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Re: Ultrastudio 4K/LiveKey not keying alpha correctly 3G

PostWed Jun 05, 2024 10:57 pm

Well, the problem is partially solved. The Ultrastudio works perfect in other applications but I only tested it with Blackmagic Media Express which doesn't work.

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