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Dialogue Matcher is

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 7:57 am

I tried the Dialogue Matcher but really, it is VERY bad. Absolutely unusable. I tried applying the profile of clips with a room tone and one with reverberation and applied it to a more neutral clip. The result is just plain awful. Really, like this it's not ready at all. Please, fix this or remove it. That is not good publicity for DaVinci Resolve to consider that as a usable feature.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 8:35 am

It would probably be useful to provide BMD with the specific samples that are producing the unusable results on your system.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 8:57 am

That would be useful if this was a specific issue relative to my media but AFAIK, i have never heard of someone having a good expérience with Dialogue Matcher. But if someone did, please let me know.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 12:36 pm

Patrick Spadrille wrote:That would be useful if this was a specific issue relative to my media but AFAIK, i have never heard of someone having a good expérience with Dialogue Matcher. But if someone did, please let me know.

And yet the usual suspects on YouTube have reviewed and promoted this feature. Doesn't look good on them, does it? Was there any criticism of this feature by our YouTube friends?

Perplexity notes that some users find that Dialog Matcher is a good first start but often adds too much reverb and must be tweaked afterwards. I haven't played with this new feature so I can't say.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 1:13 pm

Patrick Spadrille wrote:I tried the Dialogue Matcher but really, it is VERY bad. Absolutely unusable. I tried applying the profile of clips with a room tone and one with reverberation and applied it to a more neutral clip. The result is just plain awful. Really, like this it's not ready at all. Please, fix this or remove it. That is not good publicity for DaVinci Resolve to consider that as a usable feature.


Fix or remove? That communication is not going anywhere.

When they add Depth map's first version of previous resolve versions. It was also bad and not so much useful but they made it very good with latest update.

You can see that "Dialogue Matcher" just like this. That is an idea, will be better in the future.

What if some kiddo opened a topic and says " DEPTH MAP IS VERY BAD OMMG !!! REMOVE IT ! " and what if they listened that kiddo then remove it from resolve ? We would never see that amazing feature today :)
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 2:04 pm

I strongly disagree. What is the point of adding a feature that is not ready and no one will use? It's just bad press for DVR. Dialogue Matcher is not something that is OK now but could be better. It's just unusable. Depth map was not good the first time but on some condition it worked oK. That is not the case with Dialogue Matcher. I hope they could make it usable one day. But until then, what's the point ?
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 4:27 pm

You say that it doesn't work in any circumstance and yet we've seen it demonstrated on YouTube so it must work more or less in some circumstances, no?
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 6:06 pm

If you have a link showing this feature working well, I’m really interested.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostMon Apr 28, 2025 10:37 pm

Patrick Spadrille wrote:I strongly disagree. What is the point of adding a feature that is not ready and no one will use? It's just bad press for DVR. Dialogue Matcher is not something that is OK now but could be better. It's just unusable. Depth map was not good the first time but on some condition it worked oK. That is not the case with Dialogue Matcher. I hope they could make it usable one day. But until then, what's the point ?


The point is "getting feedback" from native users. We are all here to help blackmagic, giving feedbacks to make our most used software better. We speaks, they listen.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostTue Apr 29, 2025 12:27 am

Patrick Spadrille wrote:If you have a link showing this feature working well, I’m really interested.


This is the most impressed reaction I recall, but it's not showing it working well.

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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostTue Apr 29, 2025 5:02 am

The sound i hear in this Youtube video is exactly what i'm talking about. The reverb is absolutely not the same as the one it tries to match, is not natural and there is way too much of it. And you can't control the effect. It's all or nothing. Also i've tried to apply the profile from a clip which have no reverb but room ambient sound. When applied, it was another another room ambient sound... and a reverb. The exact same bad reverb is applied whatever you try to match. I can't imagine that someone find that usable. Is there someone ?
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostTue Apr 29, 2025 1:40 pm

In V2 of this feature there could be a dialogue box:
>match EQ
>match Ambiance

Both could have a mix with original knob.
To start with Just one knob will be great and simple to implement.

This way if the results are extreme we can just dial it in, we could have the option to use one or the other and use other methods like either convolution reverb with the sync clap as impulse or voice isolation.

This tool will be a big time saver as it improves.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is

PostThu May 01, 2025 5:08 am

LOL! In the YouTube video it says, "That's pretty wild! It now has the same ambience!"
The two clips could not have sounded more different!! Really shocking to put that out there.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is

PostThu May 01, 2025 12:35 pm

IsraEliteMedia wrote:LOL! In the YouTube video it says, "That's pretty wild! It now has the same ambience!"
The two clips could not have sounded more different!! Really shocking to put that out there.

I find it very discouraging. Honest reviews are hard to come by, I guess.

Add - and Team2Films is usually pretty good. Is there any way to reduce the reverb of the final result?
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostThu May 01, 2025 8:17 pm

CougerJoe wrote:
Patrick Spadrille wrote:If you have a link showing this feature working well, I’m really interested.


This is the most impressed reaction I recall, but it's not showing it working well.



I really like this channel, but this is clearly an example of people who really want to not upset BMD.
They got an early access to the Beta, and they couldn't even say one bad thing (or just be fully truthful) about what they were experiencing.

And it's sad because the channel is excellent and very informative in general.

It's not the only one bmd, all the "big names" on youtube that made their name with Resolve are like this now. Not a single one is giving constructive criticisme anymore... it's all ooooh and aaaaah now.

When they were smaller, they had no problem pointing out at the obvious flaws of Resolve. It changed when they started to get access to the BMD team over the years.

I follow almost every single one of them from their humble beginning. I still like what they are giving us for free the tutorials, etc. But I saw the shift.

Only a handful of smaller new comers that do Resolve and Fusion stuff are critical of the obvious flaws of Resolve's tools.

And I tried this tool on almost everything, to see if I could make it work at least once lol. It's just horrible.

It's the same thing with the voice cloning tool. I follow the developments around this stuff for many years in the open-source world. And coming up with this quality, in 2025, it's not great honestly. I won't use it much anyway but I can go on github and clone a repo with model that would blow this out of the water.

The standard when something comes out of a big business should be like Eleven Labs, not some students giving they research demo for free online, in 2022.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is HORRIBLE

PostThu May 01, 2025 11:16 pm

Videoneth wrote:The standard when something comes out of a big business should be like Eleven Labs, not some students giving they research demo for free online, in 2022.

ElevenLabs is $11 a month ($132 a year), last I checked.

There are ambience/EQ-matching programs out there that can work very well. iZotope's Dialogue Match can work, but note that it's $600 just by itself:

https://www.izotope.com/en/shop/dialogue-match/

The trend is for more and more to use similar techniques and give them away for free, or for only a very small additional charge. A lot of the AI-related stuff in Resolve 20 should be considered "first steps" and not final versions.
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Re: Dialogue Matcher is

PostFri May 02, 2025 10:46 am

As an aside, Dialog Match is only compatible with Pro Tools last I looked.
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