bring back the Retiming Curve

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We need the option back to cmd+click right on points on a clip in the timeline to add speed points at the bare minimum if you won't bring back the old retiming curve which was JUST FINE!

Hey,

I am doing a LOT of retimings in my edits, and this was in fact one of the main reasons I switched from Adobe Premiere over to Resolve years ago, because the workflow is just so much faster with collapsing the retiming curves and change clip speed views via hotkeys and start editing right away. Well it USED TO BE. Not anymore...
I just tried my trusty old "retiming curve" hotkey.. and it doesnt do anything anymore! A quick google search confirmed by darkest fear- the feature seems to be gone as of right now in Beta 2 thanks to the new keyframe editor!

Don't get me wrong - I really appreciate the new keyframe editor in general for all other sorts of keyframes like position, scale etc. But for simple quick retimings, please allow us to have both - the editor and the old way of adjusting the ramps right in the timeline!
The biggest problem right now is that it's not possible to add keyframes in the timeline for speed adjustments at all!

But it's ONLY in the timeline where I as an editor understand where to add the keyframes, because here I see the clip in conjunction with music for example. Also it's just so annoying to have to to move the mouse all across the screen, open the keyframe editor, and then go in there, start clicking around to add keyframes- instead of the old way: Push a hotkey, open the curve right on the clip, and start clicking on it to add keyframes wherever I need them.
It's just awful, please for the love of god, bring this feature back!!!

it's not possible to add keyframes in the timeline

Adding Speed Points hasn't changed. You just need to move to the Keyframe panel to smooth the curves, create the ramps.

My proposal is to add a spline editing option to the lower timeline keyframe editor (just like the upper editor). The lower editor is synced to the timeline, so all of your spline adjustments would also be synced to the clips. This would provide all the same features as before allowing retime and effects to be adjusted based on the timing of the clips, but having everything in one editor would be significantly better.

it's not possible to add keyframes in the timeline

Adding Speed Points hasn't changed. You just need to move to the Keyframe panel to smooth the curves, create the ramps.

Please explain how it hasn’t changed?
As far as I knew it was only possible to create keyframes by clicking on the retiming curve. If not, please let me know how you create keyframes in the timeline in the change speed mode. Yes sure it's possible by clicking on the tiny arrow, and then clicking on "add speed point" but that takes up so much more time than the old method where you could just click on wherever you wanted the speed change to happen! I CAN NOT STAND this new approach, it is simply broken and for some sort of videos where speed ramps happen on almost every clip (sports stuff) this is simply mindblowingly dumb!

My proposal is to add a spline editing option to the lower timeline keyframe editor (just like the upper editor). The lower editor is synced to the timeline, so all of your spline adjustments would also be synced to the clips. This would provide all the same features as before allowing retime and effects to be adjusted based on the timing of the clips, but having everything in one editor would be significantly better.

Well yeah there HAS to be a way to edit the speed points right in the timeline to be able to position them in conjunction with the rest of the timeline. The old feature was working perfectly, so why remove it??

The old feature was working perfectly, so why remove it??

I disagree that the old curve editor worked perfectly, I thought it was a terrible editor so I'm happy to see it go.

However, I do think that they removed the old curve editor before the new editors were ready to take over the same tasks.
1) Show the splines/curves in sync with the clips on the timeline.
2) Open multiple clips at the same time for editing and matching curves across multiple clips.

Once the new editors do these two things, there is no need for the old curve editor. And the new editors will open up new options that weren't possible with the old clip-based curve editor, like actually being able to edit curves on different clips at the same time since they will be in a single editor. There is so much potential with these new editors and I really hope Blackmagic focuses on them instead of going backwards to their old methods.

what is needed is the ability to add time keyframes right on the clip with a single click, as well as the ability to adjust the curves maybe in the new parameter view.

what is needed is the ability to add time keyframes right on the clip with a single click, as well as the ability to adjust the curves maybe in the new parameter view.

Yes, if the bottom timeline keyframe panel could be switched to the spline editor then you could do both of those things.

On the spline editor Alt+click adds a new keyframe. I just checked and this doesn't work on the keyframe panel though, you have to click the keyframe button on the side panel. Alt+click to add a keyframe is something they should add to the keyframe editor as well.

what is needed is the ability to add time keyframes right on the clip with a single click, as well as the ability to adjust the curves maybe in the new parameter view.

Yes, if the bottom timeline keyframe panel could be switched to the spline editor, then you could do both of those things.

On the spline editor Alt+click adds a new keyframe. I just checked and this doesn't work on the keyframe panel though, you have to click the keyframe button on the side. Alt+click to add a keyframe is something they should add to the keyframe editor as well.

Yes! Absolutely! What I did find out is that you can assign a shortcut to "add keyframe". so you can unfold the retime view on a clip, then hit "add keyframe" on your keyboard and it at least adds a time keyframe. So that's better than nothing as a hotfix. But still. We need the ability to edit the curves right down in / underneath the timeline and ideally the "alt click" option to add a keyframe should return as well!

What I did find out is that you can assign a shortcut to "add keyframe". so you can unfold the retime view on a clip, then hit "add keyframe" on your keyboard and it at least adds a time keyframe. So that's better than nothing as a hotfix.

Ah, that's interesting. However, it looks like that only works for retime though and it won't work for any other effects. So there definitely needs to be a more generalized approach for quickly adding keyframes for any effect from the keyframe editor. Click+modifier (like Alt+click) would work great.

We need the ability to edit the curves right down in / underneath the timeline and ideally the "alt click" option to add a keyframe should return as well!

I agree! This is an image I made for another thread (using MS Paint ) to show an I idea I had for stacked spline editors for editing multiple clips stacked on top of each other on different tracks. This is the basic idea of how it would look to have the spline editor on the lower timeline.

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The splines would be time aligned to your clips, so you'd have all the same benefits as the old curve editor but this would be so much better than the old editor.

What I did find out is that you can assign a shortcut to "add keyframe". so you can unfold the retime view on a clip, then hit "add keyframe" on your keyboard and it at least adds a time keyframe. So that's better than nothing as a hotfix.

Ah, that's interesting. However, it looks like that only works for retime though and it won't work for any other effects. So there definitely needs to be a more generalized approach for quickly adding keyframes for any effect from the keyframe editor. Click+modifier (like Alt+click) would work great.

We need the ability to edit the curves right down in / underneath the timeline and ideally the "alt click" option to add a keyframe should return as well!

I agree! This is an image I made for another thread (using MS Paint ) to show an I idea I had for stacked spline editors for editing multiple clips stacked on top of each other on different tracks. This is the basic idea of how it would look to have the spline editor on the lower timeline.

Stacked Spline Editors.png

The splines would be time aligned to your clips, so you'd have all the same benefits as the old curve editor but this would be so much better than the old curve editor.

One problem with the Keyframe Tray is also that it doesn't work with stacked timelines turned on..

One problem with the Keyframe Tray is also that it doesn't work with stacked timelines turned on..

Yeah, I noticed that too. I made a rather large list of suggestions for the new editors and having the lower keyframe editor work with Stacked Timelines was one of my suggestions.

Keyframe/Spline Editors - Bugs & Suggestions:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=220044

"25) Allow the timeline keyframe panel to be visible when displaying Stacked Timelines. Currently, the timeline keyframe editor is grayed out when Stacked Timelines is enabled."

I always have Stacked Timelines enabled and I never turn it off. So not having the lower keyframe editor be compatible with this is a big problem for me.