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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:13 pm

focuspulling wrote:... but we have to assume it's mere contrast detection as always, compared to the current reference standard that combines with phase detection for better accuracy.


It's PDAF based.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:14 pm

Is the Pyxis 12k screen smaller than the Pyxis 6k?
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:17 pm

Kristian Lam wrote:
focuspulling wrote:... but we have to assume it's mere contrast detection as always, compared to the current reference standard that combines with phase detection for better accuracy.


It's PDAF based.

Thanks for clarifying, I'll edit my original post.

Currently, the touch-to-focus feature hunts back and forth until arriving at accurate focus. The extent to which a variety of lenses (especially through adapters like L to EF mount) will keep doing this, is of peak interest: especially if it is an insurmountable thing, or somehow improved in the new feature set.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:18 pm

focuspulling wrote:, but we have to assume it's mere contrast detection as always,


We have to assume as always you don’t know what you’re talking about again.

Phase detect.

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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:21 pm

John Brawley wrote:
focuspulling wrote:, but we have to assume it's mere contrast detection as always,


We have to assume as always you don’t know what you’re talking about again.

Phase detect.

JB

As I mentioned, you've been in the chorus against this, but I'm really glad they caught up. Looking forward to it.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:30 pm

focuspulling wrote:
John Brawley wrote:
focuspulling wrote:, but we have to assume it's mere contrast detection as always,


We have to assume as always you don’t know what you’re talking about again.

Phase detect.

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As I mentioned, you've been in the chorus against this, but I'm really glad they caught up. Looking forward to it.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:31 pm

Pre-ordered Pyxis 12k EF mount. The AF tracking has persuaded me, I'm sure it get tweaked over time :lol:
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 6:34 pm

I hope they release AF tracking on all the Pocket cameras because I have said all along these cameras are not very useful with Atem streaming devices without AF tracking.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 7:54 pm

I think the reason they specified full frame cameras is because the old super 35 sensors are only capable of phase-detection auto focus.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 7:56 pm

WahWay wrote:Pre-ordered Pyxis 12k EF mount. The AF tracking has persuaded me, I'm sure it get tweaked over time :lol:
No guarantee it'll have that. Currently only the BMCC6K, expanding to other unnamed full-frame sensors.

joeyciccoline wrote:I think the reason they specified full frame cameras is because the old super 35 sensors are only capable of phase-detection auto focus.
I think you mean the opposite: contrast detection is the lowest level, phase detection is next up.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 8:02 pm

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WahWay wrote:Pre-ordered Pyxis 12k EF mount. The AF tracking has persuaded me, I'm sure it get tweaked over time :lol:
No guarantee it'll have that. Currently only the BMCC6K, expanding to other unnamed full-frame sensors.



Of course it will. All Pyxis will get AF tracking.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 8:05 pm

I have a feeling that the AF will only come to the L Mount versions of cameras. That's my thought. But I have no inside info. It's just that Mirrorless seems to handle AF better.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 8:22 pm

timbutt2 wrote:I have a feeling that the AF will only come to the L Mount versions of cameras. That's my thought. But I have no inside info. It's just that Mirrorless seems to handle AF better.


I had the exact same feeling about that. Maybe someone from Blackmagic can tell us whether the AF is dependable on lens mount, that you will buy for the pyxis or not. Might be an important feature to many that are going to preorder the pyxis 12k, so they should know beforehand.
Seems like an incredible camera, though. Good work, Blackmagic.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 8:24 pm

Are they going to drop the price on the Pyxis 6K now the Pyxis 6K G2 and Pyxis 12K are released?
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 8:28 pm

So no autofocus on the BMPCC OG, G2 and Pro. :(

What happened to all the beta firmware that were in 8.6 and 8.7 that were in 9.3 as beta? When are those going to b GA, or never?
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 8:47 pm

Ellory Yu wrote:So no autofocus on the BMPCC OG, G2 and Pro. :(

What happened to all the beta firmware that were in 8.6 and 8.7 that were in 9.3 as beta? When are those going to b GA, or never?


Just as with accelerometer based stabilization on the Pocket series didn't make it to the UMP. Some things just aren't destined to happen.

The PYXIS Broadcast 6K is full frame but the prototype shown is with a Canon APS-C crop frame lens, missing the Canon accessory for motorized zoom needed to pair with the rocker switch on the side handle.

In some ways then, some of the features presented show prototypes as more of a future roadmap.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 9:45 pm

Well, I can’t believe the Pyxis 12k LF actually happened

This thread is the most successful thing I have ever done on the internet, and it’s extra special that it came full circle to my original post wishing for this exact camera :-)
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 9:49 pm

Andreas Kaufmann1 wrote:Maybe someone from Blackmagic can tell us whether the AF is dependable on lens mount, that you will buy for the pyxis or not.


Yes, the new autofocus is only available for L-Mount cameras.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 10:13 pm

Kristian Lam wrote:
Andreas Kaufmann1 wrote:Maybe someone from Blackmagic can tell us whether the AF is dependable on lens mount, that you will buy for the pyxis or not.


Yes, the new autofocus is only available for L-Mount cameras.


Does that include the new pyxis 12k l-mount?
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 10:19 pm

Kristian Lam wrote:
Andreas Kaufmann1 wrote:Maybe someone from Blackmagic can tell us whether the AF is dependable on lens mount, that you will buy for the pyxis or not.


Yes, the new autofocus is only available for L-Mount cameras.
Makes sense to me. L Mount is more accessible for Blackmagic to develop the feature.

I say it’s time to let EF die. Let’s put EF in the grave where it belongs.


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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 10:21 pm

Kristian Lam wrote:
Andreas Kaufmann1 wrote:Maybe someone from Blackmagic can tell us whether the AF is dependable on lens mount, that you will buy for the pyxis or not.


Yes, the new autofocus is only available for L-Mount cameras.
L mount had different sensor than Ef mount? Or is a different mount that add the ability to manage new pdfa af?


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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 10:23 pm

Texaco87 wrote:Well, I can’t believe the Pyxis 12k LF actually happened

This thread is the most successful thing I have ever done on the internet, and it’s extra special that it came circle to my original post wishing for this exact camera :-)

Well, you merely started it, and titled it "Predicitions," so really, the most successful thing you've ever done?
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 10:27 pm

Kristian Lam wrote:
Andreas Kaufmann1 wrote:Maybe someone from Blackmagic can tell us whether the AF is dependable on lens mount, that you will buy for the pyxis or not.


Yes, the new autofocus is only available for L-Mount cameras.

I trust that the firmware will allow an L-mount to EF adapter, that currently does not block focus control using single/touch-and-hold-to-focus, to work as promised too (even if it's not the ideal configuration, leaving it to us to weigh the benefits).
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostFri Apr 04, 2025 11:55 pm

focuspulling wrote:
Texaco87 wrote:Well, I can’t believe the Pyxis 12k LF actually happened

This thread is the most successful thing I have ever done on the internet, and it’s extra special that it came circle to my original post wishing for this exact camera :-)

Well, you merely started it, and titled it "Predicitions," so really, the most successful thing you've ever done?


You really are a dick, huh pal

Of course it’s not THE most successful thing I’ve ever done, I was just having a bit of fun…you should try it some time
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostSat Apr 05, 2025 3:16 am

Ryan Payne wrote:
Kristian Lam wrote:
Andreas Kaufmann1 wrote:Maybe someone from Blackmagic can tell us whether the AF is dependable on lens mount, that you will buy for the pyxis or not.


Yes, the new autofocus is only available for L-Mount cameras.


Does that include the new pyxis 12k l-mount?


You would think so. My question is if you have an L mount camera with an EF adapter does AF tracking work with EF lenses?
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostSat Apr 05, 2025 4:15 am

focuspulling wrote:As I mentioned, you've been in the chorus against this, but I'm really glad they caught up.



Far from it actually but again, what would you know.

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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostSat Apr 05, 2025 8:39 am

Hi,
Anyone know how or where to find the 9.5 camera update for the 6k? Would love to test this out but can’t see it on the blackmagic support page or a link to the camera utility to update. Thanks
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostSat Apr 05, 2025 9:14 am

AbdoulUK wrote:Hi,
Anyone know how or where to find the 9.5 camera update for the 6k? Would love to test this out but can’t see it on the blackmagic support page or a link to the camera utility to update. Thanks

It's not out yet.

Team 2 Films, who were given a version of the software update and have made a video testing it out, have said in the comments it'll be released "today or tomorrow". This was eight hours ago mind you, so basically just keep a lookout over the weekend.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostSat Apr 05, 2025 9:25 am

Thanks Chris,
I thought I was going crazy when I thought Grant mentioned it coming out the same day.
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Re: NAB 2025 Predicitions

PostSat Apr 05, 2025 5:31 pm

WahWay wrote:Pre-ordered Pyxis 12k EF mount. The AF tracking has persuaded me, I'm sure it get tweaked over time :lol:


L-Mount only.
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