Update on Camera Shipments

Everyone who jumped out of the EF line knew that they were getting into a new line and much was said about the longer w8.

Much was said by whom? Certainly not Blackmagic. They made no promises that a new version of any product might not be delivered sooner than the EF camera.

So what "line" are you talking about exactly? BM doesn't sell anything retail, so the only line which exists, if any, is with your dealer.

When you switch lines at the grocery store, you might or might not get checked out earlier. It's not about fair, it's just about chance. I switched lines, may the lucky line win.

Cheers.

So if someone just found out about the MFT version today and ordered it, they should get their camera before someone that ordered in APRIL? Come on now...

So if someone just found out about the MFT version today and ordered it, they should get their camera before someone that ordered in APRIL? Come on now...

I seriously doubt it since the backorder is affecting all cameras. I would think BMD would concentrate on getting the EF version out first, but who knows. It depends on how much production ramps up/how fast those sensors come in.

Everyone who jumped out of the EF line knew that they were getting into a new line and much was said about the longer w8.

Much was said by whom? Certainly not Blackmagic. They made no promises that a new version of any product might not be delivered sooner than the EF camera.

So what "line" are you talking about exactly? BM doesn't sell anything retail, so the only line which exists, if any, is with your dealer.

When you switch lines at the grocery store, you might or might not get checked out earlier. It's not about fair, it's just about chance. I switched lines, may the lucky line win.

Cheers.

So if someone just found out about the MFT version today and ordered it, they should get their camera before someone that ordered in APRIL? Come on now...

Someone somewhere just had the opportunity to get an EF before a lot of people who pre ordered in April.

So if someone just found out about the MFT version today and ordered it, they should get their camera before someone that ordered in APRIL? Come on now...

Someone somewhere just had the opportunity to get an EF before a lot of people who pre ordered in April.

Is that in relation to the price hike ebay thing or something else?

Just a note about preorders: Blackmagic don't have anything to do with customers. They deal with resellers and distributors who maintain their own customer lists and contact.

I was talkting about the manufacture of the EF should be complete and THEN they should start thinking of the MFT version. BMD will know how many of which type to deliver to each retailer.

I totally agree! I've got many of my own reasons why I don't want to go anywhere near a less than ProRes or raw camera and so I'm left with either waiting for the rest of time to receive my very much budget friendly BMCC or blowing everything I have on a RED Scarlet, which I don't want to do.

I was just mentioning this in general to no one in particular (well, all those who suggest in their posts that BMD deal directly with customers buying the camera). Well, except for contact with us on this forum anyway.

So if someone just found out about the MFT version today and ordered it, they should get their camera before someone that ordered in APRIL? Come on now...

I suggested nothing of the sort. I ordered a Blackmagic camera on April 22. I also ordered an MFT one hour after it was announced. When did you order yours?

This thread is nothing but a red herring. The delay has nothing to do with which lens mount you want -- It's a sensor delay. And both versions have the same sensor. When the sensors ship in quantity, both versions will likely ship in quantity.

The sensor delay is quite likely beyond the control of Blackmagic. What is not beyond their control is their abject failure to communicate properly with their customers.

However, whatever they have or haven't done, they have sparked a camera price war the likes of which have never before been seen. If you don't believe me, just wait for October 31 and try to hold on to your wallets.

Trick or treat!

Cheers.

You know what happens when you jump lines at the grocery store, or when you change lanes on the highway to the one that "seems" to be moving faster?
Same thing here...
Don't worry. We'll all get there (at roughly the same time).

You know, I am getting tired with all this conspiracy we are doing here.. It is going to no where and it doesn't lead to no where and it doesn't make any deal.. because it is just our guessing and our speculations.. We could say what ever we want but the final words are from Blackmagic..

the final words are from Blackmagic..

And what has Blackmagic told you?

Am all for BMD delivering but can't see how a small minority of people peppering a whole bunch of threads with comments about failure to deliver do anything to assist the situation.

Am in no way defending BMD but instead attempting to improve the messages we send to the rest of the community as it reads pretty poorly at the moment.

Am all for BMD delivering but can't see how a small minority of people peppering a whole bunch of threads with comments about failure to deliver do anything to assist the situation.

Am in no way defending BMD but instead attempting to improve the messages we send to the rest of the community as it reads pretty poorly at the moment.

I don't understand how you guys can continue to blame this on the customers. This is a BMD performance problem...pure and simple. Our comments do not aggravate the situation because they have no impact on BMD performance. This is a shipping thread. Customer comments about the failure to deliver are appropriate here. This is not about customer attitude...this is about BMD performance and communication (or the lack of).

I ordered the morning of the announcement. I, like many, have been patiently and silently waiting.

Now, with Red announcing a reduction in pricing in 2-3 days, I'm wondering if Jannard will be smart enough to lower their SSD prices. If they lower their prices enough and open up the SSD's to retail type pricing, it will be very interesting. It's caught my attention.

I'm also one of those who would not be a happy camper if anyone gets a mft before me. I am a potential "1 of each mount guy" as I have some nice micro 4/3's lens as well as my Canon lens. Here's hoping this thread is just a bunch of frustrated back order peeps hanging around waiting for the word that the cameras are shipping. My camera is in the que, but not payed for, so it's a simple phone call to cancel if things continue to go south or get out of hand. I just hope this thread is a bunch about a bunch of worrying for nothing.

Am all for BMD delivering but can't see how a small minority of people peppering a whole bunch of threads with comments about failure to deliver do anything to assist the situation.

Am in no way defending BMD but instead attempting to improve the messages we send to the rest of the community as it reads pretty poorly at the moment.

I don't understand how you guys can continue to blame this on the customers. This is a BMD performance problem...pure and simple. Our comments do not aggravate the situation because they have no impact on BMD performance. This is a shipping thread. Customer comments about the failure to deliver are appropriate here. This is not about customer attitude...this is about BMD performance and communication (or the lack of).

How on earth did my message even resemble 'blaming' the customer.

I was however commenting on the repetative nature of the comments....surely the point has been made ?

Am all for BMD delivering but can't see how a small minority of people peppering a whole bunch of threads with comments about failure to deliver do anything to assist the situation.

Am in no way defending BMD but instead attempting to improve the messages we send to the rest of the community as it reads pretty poorly at the moment.

I don't understand how you guys can continue to blame this on the customers. This is a BMD performance problem...pure and simple. Our comments do not aggravate the situation because they have no impact on BMD performance. This is a shipping thread. Customer comments about the failure to deliver are appropriate here. This is not about customer attitude...this is about BMD performance and communication (or the lack of).

How on earth did my message even resemble 'blaming' the customer.

I was however commenting on the repetative nature of the comments....surely the point has been made ?

The point is valid every morning that our cameras haven't shipped. And your suggestion that we should "assist the situation" by making comments that are more palatable to you places blame for the bad situation on customer comments that aren't palatable to you. Again...this is a shipping thread. Until that glorious day when volume shipping is announced and thousands of BMCs hit the distributors, this is the very spot for customers to voice their displeasure at the poor performance. We are not affecting BMD shipping in any way with our observations and speculations. We would surely speculate and comment less if BMD would only communicate more. Again, not the customers' doing...It's up to BMD to communicate better and it's up to BMD to ship our cameras.

So is your goal to squash any difference of opinion other than yours ??

Am all for BMD delivering but can't see how a small minority of people peppering a whole bunch of threads with comments about failure to deliver do anything to assist the situation.

Am in no way defending BMD but instead attempting to improve the messages we send to the rest of the community as it reads pretty poorly at the moment.

There is nothing that needs to improve on message. This thread could probably be categorize as "PG-13" level. Please go a take a look at any forums; Apple, MSFT, RED, Google - heck even AKITA furniture IF/WHEN a company fails to meet their commitments, people let some steam out - sometime rational sometimes not.

BMCC will not become PTSD because frustrated customers are mad that the camera is 6 months late and communications have not been, let's say optimal.

Complaining in this forum is healthy and it sure beats road rage or taking it on my dog and/or family

"... but I still have not quite got the latest info I need to update everyone accurately ..."

Really? ... No further info?!

Sad

"... but I still have not quite got the latest info I need to update everyone accurately ..."

Really? ... No further info?!

Sad

REALLY

So is your goal to squash any difference of opinion other than yours ??

Hey, you asked and I answered. Another disappointing Monday morning here...how about you?

It would not be fair to further delay the first version of the camera because the components are also being shared with the second version of the camera. Fulfil the orders for version 1 before working on version 2. (I know the only difference is the mount, but it is still very much a newer version)

Again, +1 Tom. IMO that's pretty obvious.

The EF version was initially favoured because BMD wanted to capitalise on the 5DMkII success hoping it will entice existinng Canon owners to buythe BMC. It was an oversight on their part not to consider MFT given the BMC sensor size and the abundent lens option.
I think if BMD were to design the BMC all over again they would rather drop the EF version.
One way of weaning customers away from EF and move to MFT is make more MFT available soon as possible.

Let me just take a wild guess here: You're an MFT order aren't you?

I think they have to prevent any delays could that be happened. If they are solving the problems, they should do some overtime work to fulfill their customers expectations! It shouldn't be a reason to delay other products without any differentiation...

Agreed!

Tom,

It wouldn't be fair to delay the MFT version because the EF version was delayed. At the end of the day who really knows how many people are waiting on EF or MFT versions, if you add up the waiting pre-orders on this forum, and BMCuser.com it's really not that large of a number. It's about sales/money, and whats best for the brand/camera to keep moving in the right direction for BMD. When they sent out the test cameras, the testers agreed that MFT would be a better suited camera. I know it isnt fair, but why would BMD put themselves in the same situation with the MFT, I think the best business decision would be to ramp up production, and ship the MFT on it's release date while taking care of EF, back orders cause that's what they are now "back orders" the MFT is still Pre-order.

Would it be fair for someone who preordered their camera in September to receive it before someone who preordered their camera in april? no it would not. Which is what will happen if anyone received an MTF version before I or many others get their camera.

And would it be fair for someone who pre-ordered an EF in April and then switched to MFT "without penalty" to recieve their cameras later than if they have not switched?

The bit "without penalty" if you read into it is a give away. Should mass production becomes a reality with BMC both EF and MFT are likely to be produced and shipped simulatenously but it may also mean those who switched early can get theirs sooner. Experience tells me people like Bloom will gets his MFT sooner than people waiting for the EF. They don't do fair.

The dealer that I'm dealing with said that they spoke with someone about the sensor issue, this person was said to be the regional North American manager with Blackmagic. That person said the sensor issue is getting taken care of, and that they were positive the MFT version will still ship in December.

The dealer that I'm dealing with said that they spoke with someone about the sensor issue, this person was said to be the regional North American manager with Blackmagic. That person said the sensor issue is getting taken care of, and that they were positive the MFT version will still ship in December.

Rubbish. If it were sorted BMD would have updated us and the cameras would be in mass production. BASICALLY never trust anything BMD says until you see it with your own eyes. Your dealer is either A) Lying or B) Been lied to

The dealer that I'm dealing with said that they spoke with someone about the sensor issue, this person was said to be the regional North American manager with Blackmagic. That person said the sensor issue is getting taken care of, and that they were positive the MFT version will still ship in December.

Thank you Mr. AdamantiumSTEEL for that totally anonymous update. As an early EF buyer, I am soooooo relieved to hear that MFT shipments are right on schedule.

So what is everyone's "red line" on sticking with your Blackmagic Camera? At what point will you say, OK I am done I want my money back.

For me, my red line is December and lack of quantitative updates. If they start giving decent updates (that are true) on shipping with quantitative dates like xx amount of cameras are shipping by xx date I might hang on a few weeks longer.

Thank you Mr. AdamantiumSTEEL for that totally anonymous update. As an early EF buyer, I am soooooo relieved to hear that MFT shipments are right on schedule.

Your welcome Mr. mhood

BUT

Didn't say it was an update, my post is on the continual conversation of EF/MFT shipment, which is why I asked the dealer the question, and they said they spoke with Kendall Ekman, keep on thinking whatever you want to!

Rubbish. If it were sorted BMD would have updated us and the cameras would be in mass production. BASICALLY never trust anything BMD says until you see it with your own eyes. Your dealer is either A) Lying or B) Been lied to

Personal feelings aside, that's what they told me. Your still waiting for an update, how would an update be any different then them saying December ship time, If they told you the cameras are shipping the 1st quarter of 2013 would it be rubbish? How can you wait for something you do not believe in???

keep on thinking whatever you want to!

Hi, my name is Marc...I didn't catch your name. What dealer? Does it matter at all what any of us are thinking?

keep on thinking whatever you want to!

Hi, my name is Marc...I didn't catch your name. What dealer? Does it matter at all what any of us are thinking?

Hi, my name is Chris... If it mattered, we would all have bmd cameras.

It's Monday. Let's see if BMD will post something. I don't understand why a company wouldn't want to "contain the rage" on their own forum...

So what is everyone's "red line" on sticking with your Blackmagic Camera? At what point will you say, OK I am done I want my money back.

For me it was the RED FIRE SALE.
I paid more than what I thought I would since I took advantage of the BT Scarlet sale.
I cant blame BMD for that, that is my doing and I will go to bed with it.
I am pulling for BMD to release this camera so that I can have a B Cam sometime in the Spring.
The Scarlet has a few fps options that will accommodate the BMCC RAW option

I am getting pretty shocked at the lack of updates and information. I can't believe that Blackmagic are doing this on purpose - either something bad is happening in production, or they are really bad at PR.

Thanks for the update mr petty..
There's much heated stuff on the forums, a symptom of the passion everyone has for your stunning invention.

Great things never follow the path of least resistance.

Craig

Currently all Digital Cinema camps are going through some angst.
Not sure about Canon and Sony but I know the other ones that matter are.
I really want things to work out for BMD.
The BMCC announcement has rekindle my love for creating my own cinematic world
I wont be using one till Spring but I am keeping a close eye (heart) on this one.

From the way Blackmagic is acting, it can be summed up with this; Croaking of the frog, does not stop a lion from drinking water in the river. - African proverb.

And who's the frog/lion in this wondrous hypothetical reality?

Me. I'm a frog/Lion hybrid. AND I WANT MY CAMERA OR I'M GOING TO UNLEASH MY FROG CHORUS.

Let me guess. A few days is after the 31st when Sony and RED announce their information. This is when BMD will decide if they need to cut price, reschedule MFT or screw us over more?

So what is everyone's "red line" on sticking with your Blackmagic Camera? At what point will you say, OK I am done I want my money back.

For me it was the RED FIRE SALE.
I paid more than what I thought I would since I took advantage of the BT Scarlet sale.
I cant blame BMD for that, that is my doing and I will go to bed with it.
I am pulling for BMD to release this camera so that I can have a B Cam sometime in the Spring.
The Scarlet has a few fps options that will accommodate the BMCC RAW option

Eric would you be so kind to direct me where is it that I can see the RED equip special sale

Many thanks!

Let me guess. A few days is after the 31st when Sony and RED announce their information. This is when BMD will decide if they need to cut price, reschedule MFT or screw us over more?

If there is a price cut, It won't be passed on to public. This will undoubtedly go to the disributors in each region who are currently desperate for the cameras to start shipping so they can see a return on the investment they have made with Blackmagic for stock purchased.

Albeit titanically late and amid a few hundred peeved customers, the Blackmagic will still be the best value camera on the market without a price fall. I personally don't want to see it get any cheaper, because the professional video production market is already flooded with people who are selling themselves for nothing, and pumping youtube and vimeo full of shallow DOF videos. Just to be clear, for the money that we are spending, I would have paid twice as much if I knew it would arrive on time (and still would if it would come tomorrow). I already have most of the accessories that are needed (as most people who have been working with DSLR's will do). DSLR's might have been the revolution 4 years ago, but this is twice that. We are going to be dealing with the most powerful camera in its class, or any other class up to those that are 20 times its price.

From the images that are coming out from the people who do have cameras it is clear that this is a game changer. I want it to work, and be reliable - after that I know it will pay back the investment very quickly.

The only fault that Blackmagic have is being frustratingly quiet on when we might get something, however, they are a very small dog that is throwing its hat into the ring against some much bigger rivals. I am rooting for them to pull this off - when it does, we will all be working with something that is truly awesome.

Let's get excited again - it's coming. It's late, but it's coming.

I WANT MY CAMERA!

I don't understand how you guys can continue to blame this on the customers. This is a BMD performance problem...pure and simple.

And rabid "customer" over reaction is the PROBLEM you seem to keep skipping over with the 50th recanting of your "you cant blame this on the customer" garbage.

You sound like a looter in New Orleans saying "hey dont blame us for hurricane Katrina screwing our city up"...I call BS on you mhood and anybody else callously using the camera delay as fodder to act like an imbecile.

Don't call me names Teddy. Customers DIDN'T have anything to do with the delay and customer frustration has no more to do with shipping cameras than your looters did with causing Katrina. Get real man.

...or any other class up to those that are 20 times its price.

Pure bmcc kool-aid @ work here folks!

I want the 2 cameras I ordered just like the next guy, but gotta at these kinds of statements

Lets all be calm before this thread gets closed

BMD is the one manufacturing the cameras but it has been let down by its supplier, so ultimately BMD and its suppliers are responsible for the delay... I don't see how customers could be responsible!

That isn't to say I don't admire their work, I really want my BMCC or I wouldn't be here. I also see a need for us as customers to let them get on with the job and not ruin our relationship with the company as professionals by going round in circles on this.

Don't call me names Teddy. Customers DIDN'T have anything to do with the delay and customer frustration has no more to do with shipping cameras than your looters did with causing Katrina. Get real man.

We both know the parallel is close enough.. its the REACTION to the problem.

People who go nuts and smash store windows at Christmas because cabbage patch dolls arent in stock are totally justified under your logic, i mean after all, THEY didnt cause the problem now did they.

Get real man

Im referring to the fact that it is capable of producing 12 bit footage at 2.5k for $3k.

Do you want to name me another camera for less than $60k that can do this?

Lets all be calm before this thread gets closed

What he said. Please don't call each other names. This isn't a thread that any of us want to see locked.

Where was anybody called a name??

Im referring to the fact that it is capable of producing 12 bit footage at 2.5k for $3k.

Do you want to name me another camera for less than $60k that can do this?

whoa.
Ya said "We are going to be dealing with the most powerful camera in its class, or any other class up to those that are 20 times its price."

Most powerful in its class, yes...any class up to those costing 20 times as much..not a chance in ####

No, I dont want you to name a single camera under 60k, but thanks for the offer.