Can't Wait for 1.9.9 for other Cameras

Wow! Now I really wish I had the money for the URSA. Either way, I can't wait for the firmware for the Cinema Camera 2.5K, and I'm sure owners of the Production Camera 4K are also feeling the same. The crop guides is awesome, along with the other new guides.

In terms of the other announcements of newer frame rate controls and compressed 3:1 RAW, I hope the other cameras can also get the compressed 3:1 RAW. I know we can't necessarily get the 80 fps in the other two cameras, but it would be nice for the Project Frame Rate and Sensor Frame Rate options to be added since you could theoretically get lower frame rates for the other cameras for some neat effects. Also if shooting 24 fps (Project Frame Rate) and then setting the camera to 30 fps (Sensor Frame Rate) you can get a slight slow-motion type effect. Who knows, maybe this will also mean we could get higher frame rates in the older cameras since the URSA was initially announced as 60 fps at max with the potential of 120 fps in the body but not the sensor.

Either way some very exciting updates that I hope filter their way into the other cameras soon. Especially the crop guides. I of course know someone with access to an URSA so I'll have to write a project pronto and get him to get the URSA out with these firmware updates so we can play around with it.

Let me hear thoughts and how excited people are for this...

AND: Thank you Blackmagic for the continued improvements you keep making to the cameras!

Even though I haven't got an URSA, I was happy because I'm now hopeful for a 48fps @ RAW 3:1 or even prores 422 on the bmpc4K would be a nice xmas present!


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Same here! Can't wait for the update for BMCC, frame guides at least, and compressed raw. Nice.

Will be nice if BMD would assure 2.5k camera owners that compressed RAW will be coming sometime in the future. Raw storage is punching holes in shallow pockets. I believe at this point, it doesn't matter how long it takes; as long as we know it's coming. Will be very re-assuring. Let's face it - there isn't much to talk about on this forum anymore, apart from occasional "techie" talk. I peek in every night to check on updates, but alas........

If that 1:3 RAW compression instead of the current 1:2 comes to the Pocket Cinema Camera,
it means that the limitation to Sandisk Extreme Pro SD-cards could finally be lifted.
Meaning affordable 64GB cards and maybe even 128GB cards that work for raw but don't cost more then the entire camera body.

Any changes to focus peaking ? I mean does the camera remember our last setting when we power on?

[CaptainHook]

Any changes to focus peaking ? I mean does the camera remember our last setting when we power on?

Yes, on URSA focus peaking now remembers the state on reboot.

Could frame guides be possible in the BMPPC?

This camera has more than delivered on my original investment. All these extra firmware updates are just gravy. Can't wait to have frame guides with opacity. My Zacuto EVF is great but doesn't quite manage that.

I love this company. 80fps, 2.0 formatting, saved focus peaking setting, and phantom power all in one update. Almost fell off my chair.

Any changes to focus peaking ? I mean does the camera remember our last setting when we power on?

Yes, on URSA focus peaking now remembers the state on reboot.

Hi Captain! Are you authorize to give us anything of what's coming to BMPC or BMCC? Would be a very nice Christmas present from BMD. Thanks in advance!

I love this company. 80fps, 2.0 formatting, saved focus peaking setting, and phantom power all in one update. Almost fell off my chair.

Phantom power? Are you sure?

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[CaptainHook]

Yes, phantom power is enabled in this update and there's a few more controls in the audio menu.

Thanks, Captain Hook! Such a great update. I'm thinking I won't be able to complain about BMD's (deceptive) marketing on their webpages any longer now that URSA's actual performance appears to exceed the heretofore published features. That's good to see.


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Thanks, Captain Hook! Such a great update. I'm thinking I won't be able to complain about BMD's (deceptive) marketing on their webpages any longer now that URSA's actual performance appears to exceed the heretofore published features. That's good to see.


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+1
I'll love to see some of those new features coming to the rest of the BMD camera's.

Any changes to focus peaking ? I mean does the camera remember our last setting when we power on?

Yes, on URSA focus peaking now remembers the state on reboot.

Thanks for the info. How about the BMPC 4K? The fact that focus peaking inexplicably shuts off when you bounce between playback and recording is irritating as hell.

And 48 FPS for the other cameras would really really rock.

Any changes to focus peaking ? I mean does the camera remember our last setting when we power on?

Yes, on URSA focus peaking now remembers the state on reboot.

Excellent! I hope we see this change come to the BMPCC too.

From now on I can't upgrade with Mountain Lion? Only Mavericks upward? Why is that?

Is there a hardware technical limitation to the BMPC 4K compared to the URSA that would limit its ability to do 80fps? They share the same sensor so unless the brain/processor is limited on the production camera I don't see why it shouldn't be able to handle 80fps.

Also how about 120fps in 1080p, or more if possible?

Is there a hardware technical limitation to the BMPC 4K compared to the URSA that would limit its ability to do 80fps? They share the same sensor so unless the brain/processor is limited on the production camera I don't see why it shouldn't be able to handle 80fps.

Also how about 120fps in 1080p, or more if possible?

Shall we start with 48fps on the BMPC even at 1080p Prores. The biggest letdown on BMD cameras (bar URSA) is the lack of slow motion.


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Reasons for frame rates above 4K@30fps not being available on the Production Camera 4K have been discussed many times here before. Mostly due to heat. Though it seems possible that 1080p60 could be done with an update at least because it's theoretically 1/2 the data of 2160p30.

I think the most important thing is for BMD to do right now is just tell us which 1.9.9 updates WON'T be included in the rest of the cameras so people stop speculating.

Reasons for frame rates above 4K@30fps not being available on the Production Camera 4K have been discussed many times here before. Mostly due to heat. Though it seems possible that 1080p60 could be done with an update at least because it's theoretically 1/2 the data of 2160p30.

Although 1080p out of the camera is obviously less data than 2160p out, the identical amount of sensor data is read regardless of the output because BMD does not crop their sensor. Additionally then is the downscaling from 2160p to output 1080p so that might even produce more heat than 2160p output.

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Yes. Don't forget that 1080p contains 4 times less data than 2180p. Not twice.

I find it interesting that the forum is asking us to use our real names, but we are getting updates from "Captain Hook" at Black Magic. Seems a bit odd.


Either way, thanks for the great update!

Yes. Don't forget that 1080p contains 4 times less data than 2180p. Not twice.

Correct. But then double that 1/4 because you're going from 1080p30 to 1080p60.

Important to note that Ursa has internal liquid cooling which is a big feature that would allow for such high frame rates while cooling the sensor, pity. Well at least they should be able to get 60 fps in 1080p, right?

Reasons for frame rates above 4K@30fps not being available on the Production Camera 4K have been discussed many times here before. Mostly due to heat. Though it seems possible that 1080p60 could be done with an update at least because it's theoretically 1/2 the data of 2160p30.

Although 1080p out of the camera is obviously less data than 2160p out, the identical amount of sensor data is read regardless of the output because BMD does not crop their sensor. Additionally then is the downscaling from 2160p to output 1080p so that might even produce more heat than 2160p output.

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It's good to hear the Production camera does not crop the sensor for 1080p because after seeing the effect of sensor cropping with 720p120 on the iPhone 6 and Galaxy S5 it's amazing how bad pixelation and light sensitivity get.

Shall we start with 48fps on the BMPC even at 1080p Prores. The biggest letdown on BMD cameras (bar URSA) is the lack of slow motion.

You mean that feature they were never sold with or promised in the first place ?

If you look at the way URSA was designed, it was was engineered for higher frame rates. More cooling, and a lot more overhead in terms of internal CPU.

It's unrealistic to keep thinking that because they add higher frames in a build of firmware to URSA, that it magically trickles down to other cameras that were never designed to do higher frame rates.

It's been talked to death about why it is probably not possible. I'm not saying that BM will never find a way to do it, but I can say that they were never designed to do it. If they did pull it off, it would be a feat of engineering.

It's not something you should expect.

JB

I personally just want better Overlay specification control. Record in one format and output in another, plus the 3:1 compressed RAW sounds lovely

I'd be extremely surprised if the BMCC or 4K ever gets faster frame rates.
They are running a different 'cpu' for want of a better term, and have much poorer cooling, so I wouldn't be holding out for any of the features from the Ursa update to flow down to the other cameras.

I'd be extremely surprised if the BMCC or 4K ever gets faster frame rates.
They are running a different 'cpu' for want of a better term, and have much poorer cooling, so I wouldn't be holding out for any of the features from the Ursa update to flow down to the other cameras.

The other cameras should get the frame guides easily. And with luck we get the 3:1 Compressed RAW.

I'd be extremely surprised if the BMCC or 4K ever gets faster frame rates.
They are running a different 'cpu' for want of a better term, and have much poorer cooling, so I wouldn't be holding out for any of the features from the Ursa update to flow down to the other cameras.

The other cameras should get the frame guides easily. And with luck we get the 3:1 Compressed RAW.

Yeah, frame guides sound very realistic.... 3:1 compression sounds realistic too but a little less so than frame guides...hopefully the hardware can support it.

The other cameras should get the frame guides easily. And with luck we get the 3:1 Compressed RAW.

I don't mean to be an ass, but how would you know ?

How do you know what it takes to add frame guides into the other cameras ?

You're guessing...

You WANT that feature and you THINK it's simple to add because it just a few lines on screen right ? How hard could that be right ?

Well, I'm pretty sure it's actually not that simple. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the older cameras don't have as much overhead. It's like trying to get a 4 year old iMac to run the latest Resolve....It's not always going to be possible because the amount of code to run what they're doing now in those older cameras is probably already more than they planned for....

There are already extra features they never had in the original specs like Histos and VU's....time remaining....disk formatting....

it means optimising the code to be more efficient....

We should be realistic for what new features we can get into them. I would love for those newer features to be available but I'm also not holding my breath....

JB

The other cameras should get the frame guides easily. And with luck we get the 3:1 Compressed RAW.

I don't mean to be an ass, but how would you know ?

How do you know what it takes to add frame guides into the other cameras ?

You're guessing...

You WANT that feature and you THINK it's simple to add because it just a few lines on screen right ? How hard could that be right ?

Well, I'm pretty sure it's actually not that simple. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the older cameras don't have as much overhead. It's like trying to get a 4 year old iMac to run the latest Resolve....It's not always going to be possible because the amount of code to run what they're doing now in those older cameras is probably already more than they planned for....

There are already extra features they never had in the original specs like Histos and VU's....time remaining....disk formatting....

it means optimising the code to be more efficient....

We should be realistic for what new features we can get into them. I would love for those newer features to be available but I'm also not holding my breath....

JB

Yes it is a valid point John, If it can't be done then I'm all ready for to pony up for BMCC V2.

The release notes make it clear which 1.9.9 features the BMCC, BMPCC, and BMPC 4k will get:

• Improved in-camera format reliability

There is no grey area here.

For me,at least for the BMPC4K, the FPN issue and the black hole are the most important thing to be addressed. For all the other features, well i don't care about frame guides...i always use some paper tape on the screen, even if it's not so precise, you can go safe
For slomo, i've tested a 30fps with shutter at 120°, and with timewarp in AE it is really a good place to start. Well...you can't do so much with dust and water...but if you know what you're shooting can be a good replacement.
I'm waiting for an FPN and vertical lines solution on the BMPC4K camera. Now the camera is great, i mean, is a really super awesome camera and in post you can eliminate almost everything...but a sensor calibration utility, with black balance and improved FPN will be my best christmas gift...i'm waiting for a reply from BM about FPN, and if i have to send back my camera i'll be happy too.

I'd love to see 80fps for the pocket cam in prores lite.

I would be very surprised if the other cameras don't have enough overhead to draw static frame guides over the screen. The cameras already draw a white line box overlay when auto focus is engaged.

The other cameras should get the frame guides easily. And with luck we get the 3:1 Compressed RAW.

I don't mean to be an ass, but how would you know ?

How do you know what it takes to add frame guides into the other cameras ?

You're guessing...

You WANT that feature and you THINK it's simple to add because it just a few lines on screen right ? How hard could that be right ?

Well, I'm pretty sure it's actually not that simple. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the older cameras don't have as much overhead. It's like trying to get a 4 year old iMac to run the latest Resolve....It's not always going to be possible because the amount of code to run what they're doing now in those older cameras is probably already more than they planned for....

There are already extra features they never had in the original specs like Histos and VU's....time remaining....disk formatting....

it means optimising the code to be more efficient....

We should be realistic for what new features we can get into them. I would love for those newer features to be available but I'm also not holding my breath....

JB

Thinking that drawing static lines, or drawing sections of the image black on screen, is going to take more processing power than the cameras have, is like trying to delete text files to free up space on your 1TB hard drive.

It really is that simple to do. The reason why it isn't already a thing is probably because the other features they've added have been higher up on the priority list, as well as all of the menu options to go with it, and bug testing

It's not that weird that some people would expect compressed raw sometime in the future:

In this interview:

At 9'00": Marco Solorio asks Petty: "Will we see the compressed format added to the 2.5K camera?" Petty: -"Yeah, probably. Actually yes, yeah. Not yet, but we'll definitely do that."

The other cameras should get the frame guides easily. And with luck we get the 3:1 Compressed RAW.

I don't mean to be an ass, but how would you know ?

How do you know what it takes to add frame guides into the other cameras ?

You're guessing...

You WANT that feature and you THINK it's simple to add because it just a few lines on screen right ? How hard could that be right ?

Well, I'm pretty sure it's actually not that simple. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the older cameras don't have as much overhead. It's like trying to get a 4 year old iMac to run the latest Resolve....It's not always going to be possible because the amount of code to run what they're doing now in those older cameras is probably already more than they planned for....

There are already extra features they never had in the original specs like Histos and VU's....time remaining....disk formatting....

it means optimising the code to be more efficient....

We should be realistic for what new features we can get into them. I would love for those newer features to be available but I'm also not holding my breath....

JB

Be an ass... you're completely free to do so because I was assuming that we would be getting these two things. And you know what they say when you assume. LOL!

However, I firmly believe that the crop guides are doable. I get crop guides with my EFV for now so it's not dire to have it immediately.

The compressed RAW 3:1 would be amazing because it would mean so much in regards to saving storage space and charging clients slightly less money. And it was alluded to some time ago.