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Have shot past many project on Monstro with IPP2 selected in camera (REDWIDEGAMUT/LOG3G10) and viewing REC709.
Davinci Resolve (v14 or 15beta) project setting RED RAW is set to Camera Metadata. When I bring footage in to Resolve and click on the RAW tab it shows IPP2 as color science but REDWIDEGAMUT and BT1886 are selected. The footage immediately does not appear as it did viewing from camera output on set. It appears desaturated and lacks SOME contrast but not so flat like a log image.
1.Why is Resolve not even reading the metadata properly? The cam metadata SHOULD be REDWIDEGAMUT/LOG3G10 as a starting point for raw development, right?
Then I go to project settings for RAW and change to PROJECT and select REDWIDEGAMUT/LOG3G10, and check the boxes to use camera metadata for ISO, Exposure, and Color Temp (they should really include Tint here by the way). Back to the RAW tab for the clip the changes are reflected but I would like to change the ISO for the shot, so for that clip I select CLIP instead of PROJECT under DECODE USING. Instead of reverting to the camera ISO it reverts to the ISO selected on the RAW PROJECT settings even though the box was checked to USE CAMERA METADATA for the ISO. I can say I almost NEVER want to use a uniform ISO for a project so I check this box. Then I would like to tweak the clip metadata controls so I want to Decode Using clip but it sets White balance and ISO to these settings although the box is checked! It should preserve the camera metadata so you can use it as a starting point!
The whole IPP2 implementation in Resolve is terrible and buggy. Grades happen after the output transforms, pretty much making IPP2 selection for color science in the RAW tab useless since you lose highlight and shadow detail grading after the transform.
Blackmagic should open a clip in REDCINEX and look how it comes up as it reads the camera metadata properly, and then takes adjustments to grade, and THEN applied the output transform. In Resolve, the output transform appears to be applied BEFORE any grading. This is not how IPP2 should work. Furthermore, it appears as the output transform is NOT applied when the gamma is set to LOG3G10. It looks like maybe Resolve wants gamma and color space to be considered the target or monitoring gamma or color space?
I guess the best is still to use VERSION 2 and a transform IPP2 LUT. Another overly complicated and glitchy color workflow from RED that is laced with secret GOTCHAS that can lead to lower quality and poor results. I wish BMD would do a deep dive and try to get these 2 issues fixed. Maybe one of them is the limit of the SDK?
I do know that I have had to pass notes along to post asking them to change camera raw settings in each clip because they are not populating as shot in camera. Really makes communicating an intended look all the way through post very difficult for a DP.
Davinci Resolve (v14 or 15beta) project setting RED RAW is set to Camera Metadata. When I bring footage in to Resolve and click on the RAW tab it shows IPP2 as color science but REDWIDEGAMUT and BT1886 are selected. The footage immediately does not appear as it did viewing from camera output on set. It appears desaturated and lacks SOME contrast but not so flat like a log image.
1.Why is Resolve not even reading the metadata properly? The cam metadata SHOULD be REDWIDEGAMUT/LOG3G10 as a starting point for raw development, right?
Then I go to project settings for RAW and change to PROJECT and select REDWIDEGAMUT/LOG3G10, and check the boxes to use camera metadata for ISO, Exposure, and Color Temp (they should really include Tint here by the way). Back to the RAW tab for the clip the changes are reflected but I would like to change the ISO for the shot, so for that clip I select CLIP instead of PROJECT under DECODE USING. Instead of reverting to the camera ISO it reverts to the ISO selected on the RAW PROJECT settings even though the box was checked to USE CAMERA METADATA for the ISO. I can say I almost NEVER want to use a uniform ISO for a project so I check this box. Then I would like to tweak the clip metadata controls so I want to Decode Using clip but it sets White balance and ISO to these settings although the box is checked! It should preserve the camera metadata so you can use it as a starting point!
The whole IPP2 implementation in Resolve is terrible and buggy. Grades happen after the output transforms, pretty much making IPP2 selection for color science in the RAW tab useless since you lose highlight and shadow detail grading after the transform.
Blackmagic should open a clip in REDCINEX and look how it comes up as it reads the camera metadata properly, and then takes adjustments to grade, and THEN applied the output transform. In Resolve, the output transform appears to be applied BEFORE any grading. This is not how IPP2 should work. Furthermore, it appears as the output transform is NOT applied when the gamma is set to LOG3G10. It looks like maybe Resolve wants gamma and color space to be considered the target or monitoring gamma or color space?
I guess the best is still to use VERSION 2 and a transform IPP2 LUT. Another overly complicated and glitchy color workflow from RED that is laced with secret GOTCHAS that can lead to lower quality and poor results. I wish BMD would do a deep dive and try to get these 2 issues fixed. Maybe one of them is the limit of the SDK?
I do know that I have had to pass notes along to post asking them to change camera raw settings in each clip because they are not populating as shot in camera. Really makes communicating an intended look all the way through post very difficult for a DP.