spike wrote:Peter posted something from Kholi a page back. I'm not saying he's wrong (which on some points he actually is) but I will say that people should be objective, which he is not. He has been the biggest BMCC fanboy since day one even contributing massively to bmcuser... I may be wrong but it seems like it is actually HIS site?
Peter has plenty of complaints about the BMCC, and he's very vocal on people not buying accessories for BMDs cameras until they have one in their hands. BMC user is owned By Jarraed Land, the founder of RED, this is very well known.
spike wrote:I am no BMD fanboy but I do appreciate a good camera and to call the MKIII a BAD camera is ridiculous. If you look at imdb you will see MANY films that used the MKII & III is some capacity. The Avengers, for example.
The 5d MkIII (and MkII) are great stills cameras, and reasonable video cameras. Their cheapness, size and weight relative to cinema cameras makes them good stunt and action cams. This tends to be the role they are used in, cheap and disposable.
spike wrote:It's a reliable, solid, great piece of kit and to simply brush it off in as little as one post is not doing it justice. How many high budget films or TV shows have used the BMCC? Apart from that other fanboys AUS shows... none! The camera is not reliable enough in the field to warrant the use of a camera like the BMCC on a high budget show.
How many films and TV series have been released so far that entered production after the release of the BMCC? The lack of BMCCs using productions has at least as much to do with the low level of supply, and the issue that it's not shooting for the action cam role the 5D seems to have found in high end production. We are also talking magic laterns latest development here, trying to pass that off as used in productions or reliable is a bit much. I've not seen any real reliability complaints about the BMCC (and even un-hacked 5ds have heat issues on set), the BMCC has plenty of issues, not least the flange issue, but thats not a reliability thing thats jsut a genaeral flaw, it's not going to change on you mid shoot.
A reasonable number use Epics. The 5D is used as a compromise, it's a cheap camera that provides adequate footage and importantly can be rigged to operate in a way similar to a cinema camera. It's the holder of the niche it's found in Hollywood, and therefore something has to be much better than it to shift it from that niche. And at that niche the BMCC may well not be. When the massive extra quality the epic provides isn't needed then you might as well save money and use 5ds.
spike wrote:My point is this; fanboys get scared when their precious is about to be competed with. I and many others welcome competition. It just means more choice for the customer!
You point is rubbish. The BMCC is a flawed camera, no-one denies this, but no-ones 'scared' of competition, if anything they relish it as it means the BMD may add more improvements to their camera. I will point out that I'm a Scarlet owner not a BMCC owner. The 5D has been great for the industry as it's increased the number of people who have been able to take their first steps, and can be used as a B cam or action cam most of the way up the ladder. But it is not the Golden bullet that it is often hailed as, and as a pure video camera it's flaws are larger than the BMCCs in most ways.
I must admit that if someone asked me which to buy now, living in the UK I'd say go with a 5d or a C100, as they actually are readily available. If BMD can get their supply issues out of the way for most people who are looking for a video/movie camera I'd switch that straight to the BMCC.
If this release proves reliable and some worries like how it deals with rolling shutter etc are delt with then this will improve how far towards the motion end it can get with people.
Given that lens and rigging costs with the EF mount BMCC are fairly consistent with a 5D, and the two are in the same price ball park, the major costs may well be workflow and data. And usable SSDs are likely to work out as much cheaper than smaller media.
So the 5d is a great camera for the price even as a video camera, but that doesn't stop the BMCC from being better. And if you only ever shot video and wanted better than h264 (which after all is what this discussion is about, the RAW ML update), could you honestly say that if both were in the shop before you you would take the 5Ds RAW over the BMCCs RAW, ProRes and DNxHD?