4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Sep 12, 2019 3:49 am

6K? Why not! After we thought this thread had finally been put to rest, it may have new life thanks to 6K. No official update on the turret for months.


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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Sep 12, 2019 8:19 am

[quote="rick.lang"]6K? Why not! After we thought this thread had finally been put to rest, it may have new life thanks to 6K. No official update on the turret for months.


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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Sep 12, 2019 2:53 pm

If they manage to make a firmware to support the new sensor and the old hardware this is a great opportunity to prove that they are not letting down their customers.
I hope they add a support for interchangeable lens mounts like mini pro to the new turret.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Nov 18, 2019 8:47 am

6K would be nice to have but there is not enough available workspace to shoehorn the existing 6K electronic hardware into the turret workspace to retain short sensor data runs without significantly remanufacturing the big URSA body. That simply will not happen.

The original turret sees to have been a split and folded BMPC4K with a distant motherboard supporting more robust peripherals mostly hard-connected via permanent ribbon cables. I suspect that the higher data loads of 6K demand that the data runs from the sensor are even shorter than for the old Cmosis-styled 4K sensor of the original 4K, big URSA and first URSA Mini.

I hope the guys who pull their turrets out for a looksee, take the trouble to rehabilitate the parted thermal transfer material. If they go faithbased and just shove it back in, it may become roasties time for the sensor otherwise. I think some of the sensor failures may be related to heat stress from the firm-setting thermal material parting from metal faces during the violence of shipping.

If I end up getting another "big" URSA, the first cab off the rank will be rehabilitating that thermal junction before anything gets switched on.

Checking the battery mount on the back for pinched wires will be second.

Whilst the turret is out, checking for looseness of the heatsink spurs through the mainboard heatsink slab will be third. If the cooler radiator heatsink spurs are loose, then the soft thermal paste may have slumped away from conductive surfaces and may fail the pair of Xilinx processors.

Hopefully then it will live long and prosper. Otherwise, I have to buy new memory to suit another camera type and remake custom accessories I have built for the URSA.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat May 30, 2020 3:24 am

Hi,iam planning to buy a sparingly used URSA 4k V2 version out of passion!, how can I find whether it's v1 or V2 from the serial number? also date of manufacture from the serial number, regards ashok
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat May 30, 2020 4:49 am

Asok Kumar wrote:Hi,iam planning to buy a sparingly used URSA 4k V2 version out of passion!, how can I find whether it's v1 or V2 from the serial number? also date of manufacture from the serial number, regards ashok

If I recall it, the V1 only goes to 80fps while the V2 goes to 120 or 150fps in 1080.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat May 30, 2020 6:31 am

I know it, but how can we know that from serial number as iam planning to buy V2 sensor
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat May 30, 2020 1:21 pm

There is no way to tell by serial number.

You can ask the seller ? Or ask them what the maximum frame rate is ?

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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Jun 27, 2020 3:43 am

Denny Smith wrote:That would be interesting, the Ursa V2 is a great camera. We use ours for chroma key shooting, very forgiving, great image.
Cheers

Dennis, how can we know that URSA is with v1 sensor or V2 sensor? from the serial number possible? Seller don't know! it's serial number is 2221598, early reply expected regards Dr ashok
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Jun 27, 2020 9:22 am

Ask what the top frame rate is in raw.

V1 went to 80fps, the v2 went to 120fps

That’s full frame not windowed. In windowed mode I believe they both went to 150fps
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Jul 20, 2020 9:27 am

robert Hart wrote:6K would be nice to have but there is not enough available workspace to shoehorn the existing 6K electronic hardware into the turret workspace to retain short sensor data runs without significantly remanufacturing the big URSA body. That simply will not happen.

The original turret sees to have been a split and folded BMPC4K with a distant motherboard supporting more robust peripherals mostly hard-connected via permanent ribbon cables. I suspect that the higher data loads of 6K demand that the data runs from the sensor are even shorter than for the old Cmosis-styled 4K sensor of the original 4K, big URSA and first URSA Mini.

I hope the guys who pull their turrets out for a looksee, take the trouble to rehabilitate the parted thermal transfer material. If they go faithbased and just shove it back in, it may become roasties time for the sensor otherwise. I think some of the sensor failures may be related to heat stress from the firm-setting thermal material parting from metal faces during the violence of shipping.

If I end up getting another "big" URSA, the first cab off the rank will be rehabilitating that thermal junction before anything gets switched on.

Checking the battery mount on the back for pinched wires will be second.

Whilst the turret is out, checking for looseness of the heatsink spurs through the mainboard heatsink slab will be third. If the cooler radiator heatsink spurs are loose, then the soft thermal paste may have slumped away from conductive surfaces and may fail the pair of Xilinx processors.

Hopefully then it will live long and prosper. Otherwise, I have to buy new memory to suit another camera type and remake custom accessories I have built for the URSA.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Jul 20, 2020 9:36 am

In this context my request to great Grant Pretty is at least he can make a FULL FRAME 4K TURRET for the Ursa 4k and keep his words! I don't think that that much hardware modifications needed as the Ursa major 4 k was made for introducing new turret and its have unique features like LIQUID COOLED engine,3 monitors ,4x3G out put,DC out etc!!! At least the numbers of person attending this tread will reflect , the AMBISITiON behind for a new TURRET! And this is the prime time he can do it as he released the Black magic design legend URSA MINI PRO 12K now!!!
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Jul 20, 2020 9:37 am

its never gonna happen thats a bitter truth we must accept
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Jul 20, 2020 9:42 am

No he will keep his words,GRANT PRETTY is bold
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Jul 20, 2020 9:46 am

Asok Kumar wrote:No he will keep his words,GRANT PRETTY is bold


its been 4years man give up already... they wont resume ursa major production as they closed that department.. those who purchased ursa original would be now near expiry date already
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Jul 20, 2020 7:02 pm

The two "Black Holes" that are The infamous "Turret upgrade" and the new kid on the block " Ursa Mini 4.6k Braw firmware update"

Hahaha. It Kills me every time I see these two threads
Being brought back from the dead. Hahaha.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Jul 21, 2020 11:31 am

This Hollywood movie Revelator released on 2017 was fully shot on black magic Ursa major 4 k camera
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PostTue Jul 21, 2020 11:33 am

Also this Free Solo on 2018 was also shot on black magic Ursa major 4 k camera!
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Jul 21, 2020 1:23 pm

And in the aspects of cinimatography both in the technical and aesthetically this Ursa 4k,is excellent and comparable to its rivals,then why they discontinued prematurely!!!?
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

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Asok Kumar wrote:And in the aspects of cinimatography both in the technical and aesthetically this Ursa 4k,is excellent and comparable to its rivals,then why they discontinued prematurely!!!?

I used to have this camera and shot a few shorts and a mini-feature with it. I really love it and you should have seen folks head turn when I brought it to the set during its hay days. It was discontinued because of poor sales and the mini got more of the attention for those looking at a more compact one man camera system.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Jul 21, 2020 8:47 pm

Then sir, what is the meaning of this longest tread involving thousands of Ursa major 4 k FANS!?, still in used market it sells for 3000 -4000 USD! BMD should re introduce it. If the size and weight is the problem, certain models of ARRI Alexa is more heavy with minimum acceries!, people still love URSA major 4 k!
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Jul 21, 2020 8:58 pm

And in a similar way , Sony Venice also copied now what black magic design has done 6years back on its URSA, 'REPLACEBLE TURRET'!!!
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Jul 21, 2020 10:07 pm

Asok Kumar wrote:people still love URSA major 4 k!

They they both must accept that:
1. they rely on a camera which was a dead birth from the very beginning
2. it is stupid to rely on any promises from BMD and on any updates for products older then 1 year
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostWed Jul 22, 2020 4:52 am

Asok Kumar wrote:Then sir, what is the meaning of this longest tread involving thousands of Ursa major 4 k FANS!

Well, this thread is over many years long and I believe most have already move on and bought into the UMP. Some may sill have it and just trying to get rid of it. It was the most contentious protest for the promised Turret but when BMD gave them the option to upgrade to the UMP, the protest diminished and when it finally lost traction, then the story ended. Well, until you resurrected the thread. But I say it's kind of a lost cause and very late. I thought I fought a good fight like many others but I gave it and move on with the UMP, which for what it is worth, was actually a good thing. The UMP is a sweet replacement.

Asok Kumar wrote:If the size and weight is the problem, certain models of ARRI Alexa is more heavy with minimum acceries!

Ah, but it is not an ARRI Alexa.

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Asok Kumar wrote:people still love URSA major 4 k!

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2. it is stupid to rely on any promises from BMD and on any updates for products older then 1 year

It's not stupid but we should not rely on any promises from BMD either. However, I disagree on the premise that we cannot expect support of any updates for products that are just 1 year old. In fact, owners should be confident that their investment has a lifespan of 5 years of which 3 years will be supported with parts and updates, and 1 year of replacement/repair warranty. That's just for any company that will do the right thing especially with a loyal following.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostWed Jul 22, 2020 8:56 am

Yes what u told is Wright,Ursa MINI pro, everything MINIMUM,a kind of compramise!
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostWed Jul 22, 2020 2:24 pm

I have rambled on about such previously related to 6K. If BM for some insane reason managed to make a retrofit kit for the 12K sensor and processing chain for the big URSA, I would be seriously interested.

It is unlikely. The least costly method would be to make an insert from the front which would do away with the removable structure within the big URSA body. By the time all the replacement pieces including whatever heat management system they use for the UMP form, and probably a replacement left side panel to relocate the CFast slots to the rear, there would be so much from the original URSA which would forever be in a cardboard box thereafter, that one would be better served by simply going the 12K route in the Mini Pro form and be done with it.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Jul 23, 2020 2:04 pm

robert Hart wrote:The least costly method would be to make an insert from the front which would do away with the removable structure within the big URSA body. By the time all the replacement pieces including whatever heat management system they use for the UMP form, and probably a replacement left side panel to relocate the CFast slots to the rear, there would be so much from the original URSA which would forever be in a cardboard box thereafter, that one would be better served by simply going the 12K route in the Mini Pro form and be done with it.


The least costly method would be to sell an "extended" turret. To upgrade simply open the box, remove the 12K UMP, toss the Ursa in the bin, and you are done.
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