Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 31, 2020 9:34 am

timbutt2 wrote:I dunno. Maybe a glimmer of hope remains. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.


For me, there is no other option just to hold my breath. I have lost my daily job because of situation in the world and I am sticking with Ursa 4.6k. I think this is a good time for Blackmagic Design to help out their customers and update 4.6k to BRAW.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 31, 2020 11:16 am

Rolands Briedis wrote:
timbutt2 wrote:I dunno. Maybe a glimmer of hope remains. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.


For me, there is no other option just to hold my breath. I have lost my daily job because of situation in the world and I am sticking with Ursa 4.6k. I think this is a good time for Blackmagic Design to help out their customers and update 4.6k to BRAW.

I do agree it would be an immense help considering the current climate. I was lucky to be owed a great amount of money before the crisis from work I had done to pay off all my debts for the gear I had bought. My most recent credit card debt is a burden I'm putting on myself with no guarantee of work at the moment. Although I have faith that work will come.

Still I would love if I could use my UM4.6K as a B-Camera to the UMP G2 with BRAW instead of ProRes and CDNG. There's quite a few people around me now with Pocket 4Ks so I could always bring them on to be B-Camera operators. But nonetheless if I could do it without them and using the cameras I have that would be great. The G2 is wonderful, and matching the original 4.6K is the most ideal situation because of how similar the sensor is.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostFri Jun 05, 2020 11:09 pm

Ok that's another Camera update for today. We are in 6.9.4 and is the second one that deals only with G1. Fingers crossed for the next update :o
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Jun 06, 2020 12:10 am

Andrew Toul wrote:Ok that's another Camera update for today. We are in 6.9.4 and is the second one that deals only with G1. Fingers crossed for the next update :o

Based on what Tim Schumann just said:
Tim Schumann wrote:Thanks for the feedback yes that bug requires a fix at the G2 end as well so that will come through in the next URSA Mini Pro G2 update.

Thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=115217
I'd say more than likely the next update will be for the G2 to include the fix mentioned here plus the custom frame guides and 1:1 & 4:5 preset frame guides.

Either way, my fingers will always be crossed when I get the tweet alert on my phone that it could be the firmware update that brings BRAW to the OG UM4.6K.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Jun 06, 2020 4:13 am

BMD would'nt even bring colour science 4 for the original UM4.6k for Prores so the long held excuse by some that its limitation issue is questionable.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Jul 15, 2020 1:31 pm

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Well. It seems this is our last chance. After that , I expect nothing. Let's see what BMD has to offer 8-)
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Jul 15, 2020 1:49 pm

I already expect nothing at this point :p
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Jul 15, 2020 4:53 pm

I was toying with trading in my UM4.6K for a Pocket 6K recently and reached out to someone who told me to keep the UM4.6K and to get the Pocket 6K as well to have it. This is someone who is super close in regards to knowledge at BMD. But I don't know if I should put stock in that as a hint that BRAW is coming to the UM4.6K.

I have the UMP G2. I love BRAW and Color Science 4 on it. I'd love if matching the UM4.6K was easier. That's why I toyed with doing the trade for a Pocket 6K. So we'll see if this final hope plays out.

After this event I'll venture to say that we should close this thread and resign to never getting BRAW on the UM4.6K if it doesn't happen with the next firmware update. I've already resigned to getting the update. But I have some small hope after being told to keep the UM4.6K...
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Jul 15, 2020 5:56 pm

Reason to keep the UM4.6k if you already have the Pocket 6k would be either Global Shutter enabled and to a lesser extent Braw.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Jul 15, 2020 7:02 pm

WahWay wrote:Reason to keep the UM4.6k if you already have the Pocket 6k would be either Global Shutter enabled and to a lesser extent Braw.

Global Shutter is not going to be enabled. That was abandoned so long ago that there's zero chance of it happening. BRAW & CS 4 is more likely because the sensor was already profiled and because Blackmagic stated they'd work on bringing it to older cameras. The Original UM 4.6K is the only candidate that makes sense to do since it was teased. Still, will it? We'll find out. But abandon hope after that.

Meanwhile, based on John Brawley's statement in these forums it sounds like something big is coming. So, I'm more convinced there's a new camera.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Jul 15, 2020 7:34 pm

There is about as much chance as Global Shutter as Braw comming to UM4.6k. At least GS was originally promised and actually tried based on the technology they had 5 years ago, and if they overcome the tech barrier now that may change. Although Braw was hinted it was never promised.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed Jul 15, 2020 7:56 pm

I haven’t missed global shutter to any troublesome extent as I don’t do fast action on the screen or fast pans. However there’s a first time for everything and this week when I was editing a singer, I noticed at one point she shakes her head very quickly from side to side (as an emphatic “no!”) and honestly it looked strange due to the slower rolling shutter I presume on the URSA Mini 4.6K. Try to test that yourself one day as you may see the same effect on that camera.

Who knows? Maybe tomorrow is an opportunity for BMD to offer another global shutter option?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 1:54 am

I'm sick of watching news streams. I wish they would just publish all the stuff on the site at the start stream, then I can scan in a minute instead of sitting around rewinding to clarify what is said.
aIf you are not truthfully progressive, maybe you shouldn't say anything
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 7:06 am

Wayne Steven wrote:I'm sick of watching news streams. I wish they would just publish all the stuff on the site at the start stream, then I can scan in a minute instead of sitting around rewinding to clarify what is said.


I'm the same. I think Grant Petty want to be an internet sensation :lol:
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 9:26 am

Wayne Steven wrote:I'm sick of watching news streams. I wish they would just publish all the stuff on the site at the start stream, then I can scan in a minute instead of sitting around rewinding to clarify what is said.

You can wait for the press releases or for the newsletter which sums it all up. Nobody is forcing you to watch the stream.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 11:38 am

Sorry and forgive me for my next comment if it appears rude?

Why the hell should BM even give a sh#t for updating a old and discontinued piece of kit!
They have there sights set on saving there company from the current world economic crisis due to Covid.
So new products, new developments, new product deals and offers etc. Not updating the old Ursa mini 4.6k.
And this comment is coming from a UM 4.6k owner.
Educate me please.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 11:45 am

DorisLondon wrote:Sorry and forgive me for my next comment if it appears rude?

Why the hell should BM even give a sh#t for updating a old and discontinued piece of kit!
They have there sights set on saving there company from the current world economic crisis due to Covid.
So new products, new developments, new product deals and offers etc. Not updating the old Ursa mini 4.6k.
And this comment is coming from a UM 4.6k owner.
Educate me please.

Doris


A simple matter of things like keeping your customer base and not be seen as chasing profit only :roll:
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 2:17 pm

DorisLondon wrote:Sorry and forgive me...
And this comment is coming from a UM 4.6k owner...

Doris


No question of the importance of new things, staying competitive and saving the world. Grant Petty is not your everyday CEO however. He’s rather special and does what he can to save his customers’ expense and maximize the life of the products he sells. He answers to no shareholder and no business partner. He conducts his business to his own high standards. We all reap the rewards of his guidance and admire him.

I forgive you.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 2:36 pm

Yelps and whoops of the Crowd!!! ..... James Stewart himself no less would of been proud to utter those words Mr Lang. lol.
Lets see how those lines sound in the next hours or so.

My hat is salted and resting on its platter awaiting my eager appetite after Mr Petty announces the new Braw UM 4.6k update. lol.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 4:31 pm

DorisLondon wrote:Sorry and forgive me for my next comment if it appears rude?

Why the hell should BM even give a sh#t for updating a old and discontinued piece of kit!


Because they mentionned multiple times they were hoping to bring B RAW to other cameras.
But we never got an update on this, even if it wasn't happening :p
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 4:46 pm

Point made I feel!
Now close this thread and lets stop embarrassing ourselves not to mention giving ourselves false hope.

No one could be more frastrated and disappointed than me that UM 4.6k finally didn't get Braw.
Lets Move on!

Doris
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Yeah, calling it done. Well, glad I have the UMP G2. Now, I've got to start saving for the UMP 12K G2 when that hits in 5 years since that's when I'll finally have saved the money for it. Haha.
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PostThu Jul 16, 2020 7:52 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:
Wayne Steven wrote:I'm sick of watching news streams. I wish they would just publish all the stuff on the site at the start stream, then I can scan in a minute instead of sitting around rewinding to clarify what is said.

You can wait for the press releases or for the newsletter which sums it all up. Nobody is forcing you to watch the stream.
aIf you are not truthfully progressive, maybe you shouldn't say anything
bTruthful side topics in-line with or related to, the discussion accepted
cOften people deceive themselves so much they do not understand, even when the truth is explained to them
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu Jul 16, 2020 7:56 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:
Wayne Steven wrote:I'm sick of watching news streams. I wish they would just publish all the stuff on the site at the start stream, then I can scan in a minute instead of sitting around rewinding to clarify what is said.

You can wait for the press releases or for the newsletter which sums it all up. Nobody is forcing you to watch the stream.


It's a waste. All this videoisation of materials that are better as text, slows everything down. The gold standard was text at announcement. Now, I have to wait.
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PostFri Jul 17, 2020 9:24 am

DorisLondon wrote:Point made I feel!
Now close this thread and lets stop embarrassing ourselves not to mention giving ourselves false hope.

No one could be more frastrated and disappointed than me that UM 4.6k finally didn't get Braw.
Lets Move on!

Doris
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSat Jul 25, 2020 6:20 pm

I have the Ursa Mini 4k Im just glad I got the updates I did get coming from the original Ursa they left us in the dark completely. I will be getting an Ursa Mini Pro just for the BRAW
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