Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:48 pm
But even DCI is a lower standard since rec2000 and 2100, and we are talking of going lower again...it just doesn't sound good enough.
Cinema seems to have a problem playing with others. Cinema has to be 2k just a little wider format than 16:9 fullhd. The issue is ensuring standards support and as I wrote before, about standards algorithms and code (high efficiency, speed, energy and size) being supplied to developers to keep all systems in performance sync, probably no solved, except for those who refuses to use the code or algorithms at least, who can wear their own non compliance. Selling a big compliance code or algorithm tick, would ensure customers which one to buy, and motivate code and algorithm adoption. We actually don't want industry standards body to control use of standards, we still want users to control their own playback levels rather than some suable megalomaniac industry trying to enslave people's eyeballs to their often errant vision of how things should look, because some director likes a certain flavour of wannabe drab. Use of code only in the performance section as just one element in the rendering path, ensures users can adjust or shift the look towards their regular taste, partway to full way, and for players to do player unique feature picture processing and objective looks. This may mean the code is broken up into segments that are used in the code chain, to allow developers to customise their products.
The need for rec2020 HDR standard support:
I actually get my set to push the content into the rec2100 space, and brightness, rather stimulating colourful version of reality in a new light. My set can handle it without wrecking faces and the scene, it's like another startling world, been using it on the current lost in space series. A shame HDR content doesn't have enough bits to hold it together when pushing it a lot. It is a legitimate grading choice, and a Lost in Space movie in rec2020 graded like the look I get here, would be visually stunning. But here's we are saying we need to turn it down to 709. Rec2020 has spectacular edge to it, P3 has a little edge to it, 709 less again. Corporate is invested heavily in studio and theatre chains, if they want to get people in seats in theatre, they need to do this. Msny action movies would benefit from this, others could stick to a more conservative matrix like grade. People ask when will people get dick of action super hero movies, but people haven't got sick of other genres like romance, comedy, drama, in thousands of years. So, it is important to look at doing this as it's about emotional response to the movie and picture, and action is likely to be around.
A new standard:
What we need is developers like Apple, to offer standard options, and for their to be one standard over all formats, which can adapt in a custom way to format, usage environment and device, with detection of those, to maintain a more consistent picture and audio experience relative to user preferences. Such a standard should cover the complete human spectrum and beyond, for scientific and industrial usage (a second scientific mode which can be defined sometime in the future afterwards) but also handy for certain sensor and grading developments. (I'm looking at how to design a sensor with many times more bands of primaries to map colour more accurately, this might be hundreds of bands). We already know enough to do a sort of finale stabdard right, with the scientific version of customisable number of primaries, spacing, curve responses, processing etc, with a future preset to handle content usage past the main content version proposed here, taking into account any future discoveries concerning content. Such future industry standard preset relieving the need to define the usage via the scientific feedings custom setup each time. You can see where I am going with the content version of this, it can be a subset of ACES which already exists and is already supported out there. ACESconsumer..
Even if we need to dump faux 10 bit HDR and go to 12-16 bits to give enough extra bits to allow users to customise their own looks. Trying to move HDR image around on a TV is prone to issues, as the the levels go out of alignment. We also need to go to a extra round of super premium quality TV sales, where these features could be used in encrypted streaming function to protect super premium content pricing.
Lobbying:
Wherever BM like it or not, when they bought Resolve, they bought into the industry process and it's responsibility. Somebody else can define things, maybe in a fashion they don't like, unless they are involved. Lobbying standard bodies to lobby developers like Apple to fix issues is what the industry and people can do. They can lobby Apple directly. If the interface in the team is dismissive, go to the teamm. If the isolated team is dismissive, go over their head. It's a genuine issue, so you should eventually get to somebody who will listen. I doubt one day that Tim Cook needs to wake to see an email about it. In a good company, it shouldn't need to work like that.
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Wayne Steven on Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:12 pm, edited 3 times in total.
aIf you are not truthfully progressive, maybe you shouldn't say anything
bTruthful side topics in-line with or related to, the discussion accepted
cOften people deceive themselves so much they do not understand, even when the truth is explained to them