Audio Remix as Audition

Still hoping this makes it into the next big DR release. Sick of switching between apps for it.

I see this as an amateur gimmick, not a professional necessity.

I would vote no.

Not something I would use, but each to his own.

The video doesn't work for me.

Video doesn't work for me either. What is he asking for?

This is what he is talking about.

Yeah no I don't see that as a need in Fairlight/Resolve.

I don't understand why this is viewed as a negative.

I use it a lot, most of the time exporting the mixes over to Resolve. Sometimes it works great, other times it needs a bit of finessing, but it is incredibly useful.

Adobe may well have some patent on this, so I wouldn't hold out much hope for it, but it would be a welcome addition. Anything that makes the job quicker and easier is a plus in my book.

With new neural engine I think this wouldn't be hard to achive.
For all of those who didn't use this at all - so far you never used the power mask, didn't you? But you did rotoscoping. Right? Every adition that can speed up or simplifies someone's work is a welcome addition, so I'm voting for this.

It may well make some jobs quicker and easier, but does it make them better, which is what the goal should be? MP3s come to mind. They made portable music available to the masses but at the expense of quality.

I am unashamedly old school and will continue to mix with faders and automation.

Not everyone is a professional. People (hopefully) use the free version of software for editing their movies shot on holidays or just to practice.
Audition is a serious peace of software and they will obviously not put such option if they think it was just for amateurs.

Not everyone is a professional. People (hopefully) use the free version of software for editing their movies shot on holidays or just to practice.
Audition is a serious peace of software and they will obviously not put such option if they think it was just for amateurs.

But no professional would use automix nor would any broadcaster accept such a mixed track. So therefore it must be by nature mainly for amateurs. As you say the free version is just that, Audition is not free.

Resolve is not just a tool for making videos for broadcasters. Also, said who that broadcaster wouldn't accept remixed audio? Did you ever see, when you are buying music, often you get loops and individual parts of the song separated, so you can extend it or rearange it for your needs. The other thing is that majority of videos end up on online services, not on Netflix or in teaters.
If you manually find loopable parts of the audio and cut them out to extend or shorten audio track for your need, then you are a professional? But if Audition (or Resolve) do that for you, then you are an amateur? It is called - automation. The same would be if you will said that auto face recognition inside Resolve is a tool for amateurs and if you are a professional then you'll do that manually.
Yes, Audition isn't a free software. So, you think they'll put stuff for amateurs inside a tool for professionals?
Also, is this a welcome addition or not, is on the guys at Blackmagic to said and not on me or you. Ours is to propose and their to accept it or not. If you agree with proposed, than support it. If you don't, just pass. Find something that you like. Being rude and mean wouldn't make you a professional.
My granny often said to me: if you don't have anything nice to say, just keep your mouth shut. And my granny was one hell of a wise woman.

Also, is this a welcome addition or not, is on the guys at Blackmagic to said and not on me or you. Ours is to propose and their to accept it or not. If you agree with proposed, than support it. If you don't, just pass. Find something that you like. Being rude and mean wouldn't make you a professional.
My granny often said to me: if you don't have anything nice to say, just keep your mouth shut. And my granny was one hell of a wise woman.

I don't think I said anything that could be construed as rude or insulting, I'm sorry if you took that impression, I certainly didn't suggest you should keep your mouth shut, nor would I imagine your granny would too, because that wouldn't be nice, would it? I make no value judgement upon amateurs or professionals.

The point of feature requests is to put them out there and if there seems to be a popular clamour for them then BMD are more likely to listen - this doesn't seem to be. It is equally valid therefore that some may respond in the negative.

And here's the point I was trying to make about that: The free DVR is unique in being almost feature complete, unlike say Avid. BMD's target with that presumably is not for people doing their holiday videos who would never intend on buying anything from them, although they are very welcome, but beginners and students who may one day become professionals. And in using and getting used to DVR may one day graduate to buying Studio and hardware. The more of them that use it the more it becomes an industry standard.

Therefore features that may help the casual user will never be top of the list. The Adobe suite of products is used right across the board. They don't like to give anything away and many people use Photoshop, Premiere and Auditon non-professionally. The fact that they are used professionally and you have to pay for them via subscription does not mean you are using them professionally.

Fairlight is a fully featured daw for audio TV and Film post, like Nuendo or Pro Tools. It's a complex piece of software with a long history, used on laptops to full consoles. IMV Audio Remix would not be a useful feature for professional production, anymore than AI led automatic picture editing would be in Avid or DVR, these are marketing led gimmicks from the mobile consumer world. Auditon is not a widely used audio programme amongst post professionals.

As an offline editor, something like this would be super useful. We often get thrown a bunch of tracks to test against cuts and it would save a lot of hassle to be able to quickly scale a track to say 30/60 seconds to see how it works.

Aleksandar, why on earth would people "hopefully" use the free version just to edit their holiday videos? In that case I would say that Resolve is the wrong tool for the job.
The big problem with things like Audio Remix is that it takes away the incentive to learn the skills such as mixing and audio editing. I use music stems and edit music to fit what I am working on. It is a skill I have learnt and perfected over the years, and is part of the creative process. Lose these skills by using programs that replace them will eventually lead to a generation of button pushers.

I will repeat what I said in my previous post, it may well make some jobs quicker and easier, but does it make them better, which is what the goal should be?

That's a great idea, I didn't know Audition was able to do that.
It could speed-up some of my work too.

Finding good loops is not that trivial, and doing it over and over is often a wast of time especially when the music part of the video doesn't need the perfect attention for details.

BTW, anyone knows if Audacity can do that, or any plugin for Audacity?

Aleksandar, why on earth would people "hopefully" use the free version just to edit their holiday videos? In that case I would say that Resolve is the wrong tool for the job.
The big problem with things like Audio Remix is that it takes away the incentive to learn the skills such as mixing and audio editing. I use music stems and edit music to fit what I am working on. It is a skill I have learnt and perfected over the years, and is part of the creative process. Lose these skills by using programs that replace them will eventually lead to a generation of button pushers.

I will repeat what I said in my previous post, it may well make some jobs quicker and easier, but does it make them better, which is what the goal should be?

I didn't said "hopefully" people are using Resolve to edit their holiday videos, I said "hopefully" more and more people are using Resolve because it's free and it is one hell of a peace of software. I know alot of kids (friends of my son) who edit their game videos in Resolve and post it to YT. Many of them will become just a "button pushers" but HOPEFULLY some of them will become serious editors, colorists, vfx artists etc. People need the right tool to make their choice.
Many of today's young editors and colorists, who have millions of followers on social networks, who are doing serious jobs in industry, probably never became that what they are if they need to use Betacam, S-VHS, DV cam and if they have to use consoles to edit. Kids are lazy today.
Kids today learn backwards. You need to show to them all the possibilities and the ones who have found that interesting, they will learn the proper way to do some things. The rest of them will just pass. But if you don't have the right tool to make their attention, you'll maybe lose some of the serious ones.

upvote this 1000 times!
that's the only reason i keep Audition

Graduating from Cyberlink PowerDirector I am surprised that Davinci Resolve doesn't have this feature built in. Power Director has it since last 3-4 years & its a useful feature when you have to adjust multiple smaller clips.

I vote for such a feature to be implemented in next version.

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Still hoping this makes it into the next big DR release. Sick of switching between apps for it.

Why you like to change a professional software into a toy?

+1
This is exactly the kind of automation that would simplify my workflow a lot.

Sorry to all the experts who now think less of me

This is what he is talking about.

It could be useful for loops (audio clips) instead of copy and past it 10x (or more)
If it's related to the initial feature request.

+1

You don't even have to switch to Audition for that anymore. Premiere now has the feature built into the Essential Sound panel.
It's not about the sound mix but about adjusting the length of a song to the video length.
Why would a broadcaster reject that? It doesn't mean that you don't have to do a mix afterwards.
I find this a very useful feature and for me it has nothing to do with pro or amateur. The tool finds a suitable loop point and thus extends the track, which I would otherwise have to do manually. Very handy for quick and dirty work.

I've used this a fair number of times in Premiere. About 20% of the time, I'll do just a bit of modding the results. Which is easy and quick to do.

The rest of the time, the job it does is slick. No one listening to it would ever "hear" the cuts.

For me, matching that manually takes a ton of time. Why on earth would I want to blow time on something the software does both fast and slick?

I sure love using tone-mapping and all the transforms available in Resolve.

But apparently I should insist we should all do those things manually ...

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I agree. Premier Pro/Audition Re-Mix is a great tool. I hope BMD can come up with something as good!