Macbook Pro 16 m1 Max, Davinci freeezes

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Macbook Pro 16 m1 Max, Davinci freeezes

PostThu Nov 25, 2021 3:23 pm

Dear Blackmagic community,

Desperately seeking for help. I have just bought my new 16 inch Macbook Pro 16 Max. During editing in EDIT tab in Resolve everything is sweet and smooth, when I switch to color page and start grading process, after a while during rendering in smart mode, davinci stop playback. I still can switch between the tabs, but nothing else is responding. I'm grading BRAW files, using latest Resolve version and Monterey OS latest updates.
Reinstalling Resolve didn't help. Some say reinstalling the whole MacOS might help, but before I go that road, I would like to ask, if any of you experienced the same problem. Its very annoying. Supposed to finish the project that night, but have to postpone it till the end of the week, until I will find solution.
Thank you for your help!

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If I switch off any kind of rendering, I can work longer, but eventually getting freeze again. Rendering is set to ProRes proxy.
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostThu Nov 25, 2021 4:35 pm

does resolve has "full disk access" in security&privacy system preferences?
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostThu Nov 25, 2021 11:40 pm

Yes, Mark. It has Full disk access
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostFri Nov 26, 2021 1:59 am

I don't get such problems with my MacBook M1 Pro, also using mainly BRAW. I doubt that the M1 Max should be worse, so there might be something screwed up in the system. Did you try installing a fresh copy of DR? It can be done without deleting the database (but keep a backup, of course).
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostFri Nov 26, 2021 8:01 am

I use the Macbook Pro M1 MAX 32 GB since November and don't have this problem. I'm not using BRAW but Sony MXF material.
Up till now no problems, I love the MBP M1 MAX overall. The system is 2-3 faster as my WIN system.

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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostSun Nov 28, 2021 2:20 am

Thanks for reply, guys. Yes, I reinstalled the whole system, including Davinci. Still having same issue. The issue mainly comes after I do speed ramping clips and use FUSION clips
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostSun Nov 28, 2021 2:44 am

Which algorithm for speed ramping? I'd try to separate the processes by rendering those clips in place.
And then, use Loaders for Fusion, not MediaIn.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostWed Dec 08, 2021 12:55 pm

I'm using Optical flow standard or better, mostly. Yes, render in place, solving the problem. But the point of having such an expensive and powerful machine is to have a peace of mind when working with BRAW and various effects without constant freezing.
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostWed Dec 08, 2021 1:22 pm

Resolve for M1 is very new and if you want to make it more stable report it to BM.
This is best you can do. Send them report with all needed info.

Assumption that because you bought powerful new system you won't get crashes in a software is simply totally wrong. If anything it works opposite. Mature software version runs on eg. 1 year old hardware most stable.
Resolve for M1 is sill in early stages and there will be problems there for sure.
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostWed Dec 08, 2021 1:40 pm

Any new electronics fresh out of the box have more failure rates than after "running in". Observe carefully if you see reproducible problems with other software, since it might be a defective unit.

While Andrew is absolutely right, I'm rather impressed how smooth mine is running. I was rather expecting some troubles.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostWed Dec 08, 2021 1:56 pm

Maybe M1 environment is well written so things 'work'.
I have not noticed any issues either, but I barely use Resolve. Some hidden bugs are still very possible. Some are present for months before a person tries combination of features which triggers them.
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostSun Jan 30, 2022 12:50 pm

Hi, guys,

Finally, I can narrow the problem down. The freeze still happens after Monterey update to 12.2 and DR update 17.4. It particularly happens when I apply Motion Blur in timeline or on the node level, put render in Smart Mode, and start making tweaks in colour page UNDER the MOTION BLUR. System always eventually freezes up. I still can switch between tabs and etc. But nothing happening, if I press play. Also I have to force quitting from DR through OPT+CMD+ESC, normal quit isn't working. Basically the only solution for me is to not using MOTION BLUR till the very end of the project or keep it switched off through entire grading process. Then switch it on at the very end, to have a final look of your project.
Anyone has similar issues?
System: MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2021), Apple M1 Max, 64 GB
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostSun Jan 30, 2022 1:45 pm

Can you provide a sample project so that we can give this a test?
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 2:31 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:Can you provide a sample project so that we can give this a test?



Hi, Steve. Yes, sure. Please, give it a try. The settings I'm using: Render set to Smart; Project setting render set to 5 sec.
What makes system hanging 100% in my case, is keep motion blur node ON, in OFFSET node start messing with offset wheel, then wait 5 sec just to let render start and start moving offset wheel again.
In my case the wheel stop effecting the grade and PLAY button isn't start the footage.
Let me know, if you would have the same. Thanks!
The link to Project archive:
https://we.tl/t-RCxfykBZm2
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 4:45 pm

As a baseline, I have loaded this project into my Windows machine (i9, P4000 in my signature). When I get a chance, I will test this on my M1 Max.

There were no problems on the Windows machine. We'll see if the M1 Max shows the same issues you have observed. I may not get to it for a while (day job getting in the way, lol).
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 6:06 pm

OK - just gave it a try on a 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max 32-core GPU / 64 GB RAM / 2 TB SSD.

I tried playing and then manipulating the offsets as soon as the blue smart render bar appeared - no freezing. I also tried stopping play, manipulating the offsets and then waited for the blue bar to start and then hit the play and started manipulating the offsets - again, no freezing. Maybe there is a subtle difference from what you do. I'm willing to give it a try.
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostSun Feb 06, 2022 7:06 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:OK - just gave it a try on a 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max 32-core GPU / 64 GB RAM / 2 TB SSD.

I tried playing and then manipulating the offsets as soon as the blue smart render bar appeared - no freezing. I also tried stopping play, manipulating the offsets and then waited for the blue bar to start and then hit the play and started manipulating the offsets - again, no freezing. Maybe there is a subtle difference from what you do. I'm willing to give it a try.


Thank you, Steve, for giving it a try. Just One question, Did you test it under Monterey OS or it's Big Sur OS?
I'm really puzzled now. When I bought my MacBook Pro, I reinstalled macOS Monterey from scratch. All apps works fine except Davinci.
Do you think I should bring it to Apple customer service and point at that problem?
No idea how to fix. Can it be hardware problem.. possibly?
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostSun Feb 06, 2022 8:39 pm

M1 memory leaks?
https://www.macworld.com/article/549755 ... macos.html

"...In the meantime, there are a few ways to mitigate the issue. The first is to be vigilant. As I said, keep Activity Monitor open, and when you see an app’s memory usage creeping up, address it. You can also use a third-party memory cleaner that lets you quickly clear RAM."

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202731
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostTue Feb 08, 2022 1:47 pm

Saneuskis wrote:
Steve Alexander wrote:OK - just gave it a try on a 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max 32-core GPU / 64 GB RAM / 2 TB SSD.

I tried playing and then manipulating the offsets as soon as the blue smart render bar appeared - no freezing. I also tried stopping play, manipulating the offsets and then waited for the blue bar to start and then hit the play and started manipulating the offsets - again, no freezing. Maybe there is a subtle difference from what you do. I'm willing to give it a try.


Thank you, Steve, for giving it a try. Just One question, Did you test it under Monterey OS or it's Big Sur OS?
I'm really puzzled now. When I bought my MacBook Pro, I reinstalled macOS Monterey from scratch. All apps works fine except Davinci.
Do you think I should bring it to Apple customer service and point at that problem?
No idea how to fix. Can it be hardware problem.. possibly?


I'm running under Monterey 12.2 during these tests. This is my first Mac so I don't have any advice re course of action but there must be tools available to check the health of your system - maybe Apple customer service can run such tests. I don't know. If I get any freezing during my tests, I'll certainly post back here.

Good luck,

Steve
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostMon Feb 21, 2022 9:02 am

Hi, Steve. Eventually, through hours of "pain", I found what causing that freezing. I still don't know why, but at least setting the "FUSION MEMORY CACHE" to OFF is completely solved the problem! Now my M1 MAX is a piece of cake!!! I heard that FUSION still conflicting with other tabs in Resolve, but didn't expect that much.
Now I don't need to worry, that I won't finish clients project on time, because of a stupid constant crashing.
Thanks for testing for me, mate. Good day!



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Saneuskis wrote:
Steve Alexander wrote:OK - just gave it a try on a 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max 32-core GPU / 64 GB RAM / 2 TB SSD.

I tried playing and then manipulating the offsets as soon as the blue smart render bar appeared - no freezing. I also tried stopping play, manipulating the offsets and then waited for the blue bar to start and then hit the play and started manipulating the offsets - again, no freezing. Maybe there is a subtle difference from what you do. I'm willing to give it a try.


Thank you, Steve, for giving it a try. Just One question, Did you test it under Monterey OS or it's Big Sur OS?
I'm really puzzled now. When I bought my MacBook Pro, I reinstalled macOS Monterey from scratch. All apps works fine except Davinci.
Do you think I should bring it to Apple customer service and point at that problem?
No idea how to fix. Can it be hardware problem.. possibly?


I'm running under Monterey 12.2 during these tests. This is my first Mac so I don't have any advice re course of action but there must be tools available to check the health of your system - maybe Apple customer service can run such tests. I don't know. If I get any freezing during my tests, I'll certainly post back here.

Good luck,

Steve
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostMon Feb 21, 2022 10:16 am

Thanks for reporting this here!
I still don't trust the integrated Fusion too much, maybe that's why I didn't experience this. I tend to use Fusion standalone and VFX Connect. My M1 Pro is not a speed demon for Fusion, but it doesn't crash. Definitely less than my old iMac plus eGPU.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostMon Feb 21, 2022 10:48 am

try to switch off "fusion memory cache" (standard is auto)

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ah, had overlooked that it was already answered ; -)
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PostMon Feb 21, 2022 1:30 pm

Saneuskis wrote:Hi, Steve. Eventually, through hours of "pain", I found what causing that freezing. I still don't know why, but at least setting the "FUSION MEMORY CACHE" to OFF is completely solved the problem! Now my M1 MAX is a piece of cake!!! I heard that FUSION still conflicting with other tabs in Resolve, but didn't expect that much.
Now I don't need to worry, that I won't finish clients project on time, because of a stupid constant crashing.
Thanks for testing for me, mate. Good day!


You're welcome. I'll keep your findings in mind in case I see some instabilities. Glad you figured it out.

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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 MAX, Davinci freeezes

PostMon Feb 21, 2022 4:23 pm

I'm sorry guys, but an update again. Client sent a project with lots of fusion compositions. During grading, after 2 hours, after using halation, NR etc. Resolve hangs again.
What I did and that, I believe, solved my problem (at least now, even under heavy complexity). In settings I unchecked AUTO for GPU processing and changed from Metal to Open CL. It started to work faster and stopped freezing. Well, honestly, as long as I know with M1 I have to use Metal, but what the hack, if Open CL works better, let it be.
Any ideas on GPU settings for M1?



Uli Plank wrote:Thanks for reporting this here!
I still don't trust the integrated Fusion too much, maybe that's why I didn't experience this. I tend to use Fusion standalone and VFX Connect. My M1 Pro is not a speed demon for Fusion, but it doesn't crash. Definitely less than my old iMac plus eGPU.
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 Max, Davinci freeezes

PostMon Feb 28, 2022 8:28 am

The final update. I finally (I think) have found the most stable solution. So far after 3 days of heavy use, including, old projects, where Davinci previously experienced those freezes.
I disabled decode GPU options for H265/264 and BRAW.
I switched back GPU configuration to AUTO.
It works for me, I don't experience any slowdowns.
Hope my experience will help someone with the same issue.
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Re: Macbook Pro 16 m1 Max, Davinci freeezes

PostTue Mar 01, 2022 1:45 am

Thanks for posting.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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