Make "Use Full Clip Extents" the default 4 Subclips -

+1 on it being a default setting. Not sure what the benefit is to having the boundaries blocked. Bare minimum it would be good to be able to batch change multiple clips at once. But as you mentioned it's one clip at a time.

Yes. Would be great for users to change the default behavior of subclips. Or at least can we get a shortcut option to activate "Use full clip extents" so we can assigned it to one key?
This would greatly assist when editing takes, into a bin of individual subclips of each "line of dialogue" so we can find and swap lines quickly as requested by a director. If the subclip needs I and O adjustment the current method is way too slow.
Would really appreciate this.

I'm currently sifting thru footage and wished this was the default setting! really adds to our day

I'm currently sifting thru footage and wished this was the default setting! really adds to our day

In 17.3 with the "New Subclip" dialogue, if you tick "Use Full Extents" and then hit Enter or click Create to add the subclip, the next time the New Clip dialogue appears it'll default to ticked.

As an aside, I have a question: another user the other day was asking for Full Clip Extents to be default, and I don't quite understand why that would be important? Isn't the main point of making a Subclip to have it be only a portion of the original?

I guess a reason to have multiple Full Clip Extent subclips is so each one has its own individual in/out saved, but also to have the flexibility to later expand beyond that range if needed?

But in that case, isn't it better to use multiple Duration Markers on the original clip (or one copy of it)? While viewing the original clip you can set in/out points in the viewer; hit a shortcut for "Convert In/Out to Duration Marker"; optionally hit Shift-M to give it a name, colour, keywords, etc, Then you end up with just one clip in which all the individual sections are easily accessible from a dropdown menu in the Media Pool:


Then you can drag those to any timeline just like any clip - and once dragged, you can expand the clip range to the full extent of the original clip, just like a subclip with Full Clip Extents.

Is there some reason that doesn't work as well as individual subclips for your workflow? I've not really done much organisational stuff in Resolve before, but am looking to do so in future, so am interested to know what workflows do and don't work in practice.

As an aside, I have a question: another user the other day was asking for Full Clip Extents to be default, and I don't quite understand why that would be important? Isn't the main point of making a Subclip to have it be only a portion of the original?

I don't understand it either.
If they need entire clips, why create subclips?

I don't understand it either.
If they need entire clips, why create subclips?

The reason I could think of is that it's easy to make Subclips from the Viewer with Alt/Option-B and set a different in/out for them at the same time.

So in 17.3 a workflow might be something like:
1. Browse clip in viewer
2. Set in/out pair 1
3. Alt/Option + B to add new Subclip, set Full Clip Extents in the New Clip dialogue, optionally set a name
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 for multiple other in/out pairs

Now each subclip can be dragged to a timeline and will initially start as a subsection of the original clip, using the saved in/out. But because of Full Clip Extents, they can also be extended later during editing.

I guess that's the reason to do that? And that workflow did get a lot better in 17.3 because in previous versions there was no New Clip dialogue in which you could immediately set Full Clip Extents, and you also had to go back and manually rename them separately.

But the fact that the workflow was bad before 17.3 makes me wonder even more why people still used subclips, when they could use Duration Markers instead? Which don't seem to suffer from any of those downsides.

With Duration Markers the fast workflow is:
0. Assign a shortcut to "Convert In/Out To Duration Marker"
1. Browse clip in viewer
2. Set in/out pair 1
3. Hit the shortcut to make a Duration Marker, then optionally hit Shift+M to bring up the Edit Marker dialogue to set name, keywords, and/or marker colour.
4. Repeat steps 2 & 3 for multiple other in/out pairs

Now all the markers are grouped together in a dropdown menu under the main clip, and can be dragged to a timeline, and then extended beyond their original range.

So both seem to achieve the same result, except Subclips only got fast to use in 17.3 and Duration Markers have always been fast to use. And with Duration Markers you can more easily set keywords and a colour.

I haven't used either subclips or duration markers much yet, so I'm wondering if I'm missing some benefit of subclips. But it does seem like duration markers do everything subclips can do, but are easier to manage.

I do feel as though things were improved with subclips in 17.3 but I still doesn't function as I would expect, I'll explain why I feel that way in a bit. First though I'll try to address your question about the value of a subclip IMHO. It's a way to take a section of video and categorize it independently from the source video. So for example I'm trying to setup a workflow so that my assistant editor creates selection for say Lines 1-3 from every angle. Lets assume there's a two person conversation basic coverage. I'll just throw out 5 angles with 3 takes each. That then would give me 15 separate subclips that are Lines 1-3 which I can put into a folder following the same name Just to keep it clean. The advantage of this is when the director asks to see every version of that line I can hit the shortcut to reveal that subclip in the media pool and then quickly audition the other 14 versions of that line for him. This is a very specific example to me but you might have some other use case.

I see the value of range markers but I would not be able to accomplish the same task as quickly. If I revealed the original source clip with the range marker in the media pool I would still have to hunt down those other markers. Granted I could do a search for them to all pop up but I feel its a bit clunky. Plus if I use range markers then the timeline get's cluttered with them as they are not really as useful to me once I've found what I need. Anyhow this is just my take on it.

So I had mentioned that subclips have still not been implemented as I'd expect. Here's why.

The whole purpose of a Subclip is to specify a range portion of a clip and for it to stay that way. For example in my example, Lines 1-3 should always be just that and never lose it's in and out. The problem now is that if I put a subclip on the timeline and for some reason have to extend out the heads or tails I have to removed the extents. This would be fine if it only occurred on the timeline but in fact it restores the subclip to it's original source clip state. It essentially just makes it a duplicate of the original. The problem is that the defined in and out point is not static and can accidentally be changed by a user which would defeat the purpose of defining the original range.

Take into consideration I'm coming from Avid and FCPX and this is how they behave. Subclips cannot be extended beyond their range in the media pool but once put on the timeline they no longer have a set boundary. Which in the end accomplishes what I believe to be the best of both worlds.

Sorry if that rant went on too long but I appreciate the interchange on these kinds of workflows.

Agree fully that the FCP behavior with subclips described above is the logical implementation and so request for BMD to kindly implement this ASAP. Its makes no sense that modifying a subclip in the timelines also modifies that subclip in the Media Pool.

Take into consideration I'm coming from Avid and FCPX and this is how they behave. Subclips cannot be extended beyond their range in the media pool but once put on the timeline they no longer have a set boundary. Which in the end accomplishes what I believe to be the best of both worlds. .

THIS!!!!

I actually create sublips to have the brilliant sections of my original clip as separate clips, to have them in front of my eyes in the Media pool, to hover the mouse over the thumbnails, and see what I have. that's a must for non-scripted video editing (like fashion videos, music videos, and other montage type editing).
so having to press Enter each time just to confirm that I do not want to have full clip extents in my subclips, when going through hundreds of shots and making even more subclips, just drives me nuts.
It would be awesome if Resolve returned its behavior from the earlier versions where you press the "create subclip" shortcut and that's it.
my original request was to have the possibility to set this option as default (either keep full clip extents or not) somewhere in the Project setting, but having the possibility to freely extend the boundaries IN THE TIMELINE without the need to convert the subclip is probably even better!!!

i went around it by using macros. installed Autohotkey and made a text file with the following code
(normally, i have the "U" button set to create a Subclip. now i use "2" to create Subclip and confirm via "Enter". so change those accordingly to your keyboard shortcuts and preferences. "200" is the delay in milliseconds between the command "Create subclip" and pressing "Enter" to confirm. i find it works not every time when set to a small number like "100")


#IfWinActive, ahk_exe Resolve.exe

2::
ControlSend,, {U}, ahk_exe Resolve.exe
Sleep, 200
ControlSend,, {Enter}, ahk_exe Resolve.exe
return

#IfWinActive


saved this text file with extension .ahk and run it each time i make subclips in Resolve.

but it is a clunky workaround, we need a proper solution like the one described!

btw, it gets even more stupid if you try to import XML of a project with subclips from another NLE. take a look at the video

What about "unique file names" as a default too.......

this is how i intend to use subclips. i don't fully understand how the markers would perform better.

i have a 40 minute piece of video. there are about 20 places that i like. so i go through the video, mark in and outs, create subclips, and drag to a bin. this bin is essentially highlights for that 40 min chuck of video. now i have a visual reference of 20 thumbnails in that bin. when creating the subclips i worked fast and the in/outs are not perfect. so when i drag to timeline i want to dial in the in/outs. but the default will not let you do this. and i have to re-read this thread and see if i can figure it out. version 18.6.

in my opinion you should have the option to extend beyond the initial in/out by default.