rNeil H wrote:Kodak negative and print combinations whether for stills or movies had a number of characteristics that could make certain skin tones problematic.
I would argue that motion picture prints (which comes closer to the kind of color handled by Resolve) is a much different area that still-photo prints on paper.
I don't think Kodak was racist per se, but they did reflect the world in which movies were made. I can tell you by the 1980s for sure, Kodak had test films that had all kinds of people in them, lit under a variety of circumstances, with different kinds of makeup. Even before the outcry of racism, Kodak actually did start using people of color in a lot of their promotional materials and internal color science testing. And by the way, I can't emphasize enough the need for good makeup and good lighting. Without that, skintone often goes to hell, and it's not so much a color-correction problem as it is a production problem.
Having digitally color-timed a lot of both Kodak and Fuji negative film in the 1980s and 1990s, what I saw was that Fuji film tended to be a little more saturated, and the shadow detail kind of "fell off a cliff" -- that is, was non-existent -- if it was underexposed. Kodak negative film looked a bit more natural to me, and when people moved into shadows, the toe of the exposure was a lot more gradual and gradiated. Some producers tried to save money by shooting on Fuji stock, but inevitably it looked a little weird and "grainy" compared to Kodak, at least through the mid-1990s.
But something changed around the time Kodak created the T-Grain Vision stocks in the mid-1990s. Fuji stepped up, figured out how to match it, and suddenly Kodak and Fuji films started looking very similar. We were pleasantly surprised by how good the Fuji negative looked, particularly in terms of skintone, and Kodak was forced to start giving discounts to TV shows shooting film. But that tapered off and pretty much evaporated by 2010-2011, once production largely shifted to digital.
You can point to a lot of digital cameras as having specific "looks" in terms of skintone, and I know in particular that Arri Alexa cameras had a reputation for looking more natural -- which is to say, more like Kodan film -- than anybody else. I think many would agree that Red cameras suffered by comparison for skintones for the first 6-7 years of the Red One, the MX, and the Dragon, but I think by the Red Helium in 2016, something changed... and I think the pictures from Red started looking fantastic.
Chasing down skintone accuracy is tough because things change so much with exposure, with certain lenses, and with specific hues and saturation/luminance levels. We've all had projects where you have 3 people in a scene, and one looks great, one looks OK, and the other looks awful... and a lot of that is more due to makeup issues than anything else. Trying to solve this in final color is a huge problem. You can do it to a point, but it's annoying when you realize that you have to spend an hour in post trying to fix something that could have been averted in 5 minutes with a good HMU person on set.