Lee Mackreath wrote:adamroberts wrote:OK lets try explain this more clearly.
To get the most out of RAW you need to work in RAW. Converting the RAW to ProRes and then grading the ProRes is fine but you are no longer grading RAW. So then you might as well shoot ProRes in camera.
There is nothing wrong with ProRes. It's a brilliant codec that is used on many high end productions.
RAW is 12bit uncompressed. You can change how it is processed, what the white balance is, what the exposure it, how the colours are mapped. These are all done at the RAW processing stage. In Resolve or other RAW processing apps you get fine control over these things. In Resolve that data is then converted to 32bit float and you do your grade with ALL that info available to you.
Once you output ProRes that extra info is lost. All your settings are then backed into the file. The ProRes file is still very high quality but it is now a 10bit 4:2:2 losslessly compressed file. The same as what the camera produces when you shoot ProRes.
So to get the true benefit of RAW you need to grade the RAW file. If you simple convert the RAW to ProRes you are just adding another step in you workflow that is adding very little value. Yes you can adjust the exposure and white balance before the conversion but you could also do that in camera. Yes you can apply a LUT to get a "look" but you can also apply a LUT to the ProRes file.
Don't get me wrong, RAW out of the BM cameras is awesome to work with but there is also nothing wrong with the in camera ProRes. It's leaps and bounds better than any compressed codec coming out of Canon DSLRs/Panasonic GH or even Canon C300/Sony FS700.
Thanks for that Adam...I do understand sort of but still have a couple of questions.
In the perfect world using RAW and resolve, once all the grading and editing is done is it not the norm anyway then to export the finished product to prores for final output or something else of a lesser quality than raw? If so then what would be the difference of using resolve, slapping a lut on the clips and then exporting to pro res for fcp x only to actually edit the clips together? I am not trying to do anymore grading or changes...just simply using fcp x to edit my clips together. My pc cannot handle to fcp x\resolve\xml workflow so am trying to find a workaround while still trying to use raw. I agree prores is great but there is no harm in trying to get the best out of the cam, even for testing purposes.
Last night I used lightroom do edit the native dng files. Then I exported these edited files as tiffs and then compressed the tiffs together into a prores hq file in compressor. I then stuck this hq prores file in fcp x and edit my clips for the final product. The image looked razor sharp and I saw no loss in quality. I understand that if I then within fcp x tried to change the contrast\exposure etc on an already baked in image then I am onto a loser...but from what I saw edited the raw file in lightroom and then exporting to tiff seemed good enough??
Yes your final export would be compressed.
Yes you could cut the ProRes exported from RAW files with a LUT applied in Resolve or colour corrected Lightroom.
You could also achieve the same result shooting ProRes and applying the same LUT.
You workflow would be quicker and drive space required would be a lot less.
As a test. Shoot a short clip in RAW. Shoot the same thing in ProRes Film mode.
Now open the RAW in Resolve, apply a LUT export ProRes.
Apply the same LUT to the ProRes file.
The outcome would be almost identical. The RAW file will be ever so slightly sharper and you have more control over how it's processed but that comes at a cost of drive space and processing time.
If you were doing more with the file than simple applying a LUT it would be worth it but seems like a lot of extra work for very little gain if all you are doing is applying a LUT.
I'm not saying don't shoot RAW. I'm saying if you don't have the tools to really get the most out of RAW you might be better off shooting ProRes. You can apply LUTs in FCPX to you ProRes files.