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Page Switching Lag

PostSun Jul 02, 2023 3:19 pm

I'm seeing a new lag when switching pages in all versions of 18.5 beta that wasn't there before. Maybe 1 to 3 seconds. Seems worse on the first switch, slightly improved afterwards.

Used to be nearly instantaneous always.

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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostSun Jul 02, 2023 4:36 pm

I have noticed a lag when I switch to the deliver page for the first time, it takes around 6 secs, in some cases it can take up to 12 secs. Next time it opens immediately.

With a new empty database it takes about 1-2 seconds the first time.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 03, 2023 1:27 am

Some delay is expected the first time a page is selected after launch.
12 seconds seems too long.
Can u post logs.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 03, 2023 3:32 am

Peter Chamberlain wrote:Some delay is expected the first time a page is selected after launch.
12 seconds seems too long.
Can u post logs.

I did some more testing and I found that the delay on the first time you open the deliver page is related to the number of render jobs you have across the disk database. I searched and deleted all the "Batch Renders" folders from my database and now the deliver page opens fast. When I restored the render jobs it was slow again.

You can try the following to reproduce it:
1. On a disk database create a new project and add around 1000 render jobs (doesn't matter if the jobs are in one project or spread across multiple projects)
2. Restart resolve and create a new project. Go to the deliver page and you will notice a delay.
The more render jobs you add across the database, the longer the delay

I'm on Windows 11 and the disk database is on an NVME drive.
If you can't reproduce it I will post the logs.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 03, 2023 12:42 pm

I too have noticed a 2-3 second lag opening the Deliver page, which wasn't there prior to 18.5b.

Good thinking it might (currently) be related to the length of the render log, Panos.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 03, 2023 3:29 pm

Peter Chamberlain wrote:Some delay is expected the first time a page is selected after launch..
Expected generally, or in the new beta?

Previous to this beta, it was always fractions of a second for me.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 03, 2023 3:30 pm

panos_mts wrote:I did some more testing and I found that the delay on the first time you open the deliver page
For me it's all pages, though.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 17, 2023 4:21 pm

For me just switching to the delivery page, though I never use the cut or fusion pages. And this is with no render jobs queued. Several seconds compared to instantaneous in previous versions.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 17, 2023 4:45 pm

Gary Hango wrote:And this is with no render jobs queued.
Do you mean there is no render jobs for the current project or for all projects across the database?
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 17, 2023 5:01 pm

Jim Simon wrote:i5-2500K

That's a *very* old and rather weak processor for the latest versions of resolve.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Jul 17, 2023 5:21 pm

panos_mts wrote:
Gary Hango wrote:And this is with no render jobs queued.
Do you mean there is no render jobs for the current project or for all projects across the database?

No render jobs at all. I open Resolve, open my template project, rename the project, “replace” several jpegs that are used for title card, etc, “replace” a timeline placeholder video (mkv with aac audio), trim the top and tail of the video, adjust jpegs on their tracks, use a polygon window on a certain part of the video frame to isolate color correction (if needed), EQ and apply dynamics adjustments to the audio, then switch to the delivery page for export. They are very simple projects. In previous versions, with the same types of projects, switching to the delivery page took less than a second. I don’t know which 18.5 betas this started at because I went straight to one of the later betas (build 3?) from 18.1.x.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostThu Jul 20, 2023 5:50 pm

Adding to my experience, this delay only happens on the first switch to the delivery page. If I go back to another page, the switch back to the delivery page is instantaneous.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostTue Jul 25, 2023 2:14 am

Have been using DR for years, never had a problem with this before 18.5. It is probably 5+ seconds to get the delivery page to load.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostTue Jul 25, 2023 8:05 am

You all really have problems with a few seconds of delay? ;)
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostTue Jul 25, 2023 1:38 pm

It’s an annoyance because it has never happened in previous releases. A user experience that changes for the worse is what I would call a bug.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostTue Jul 25, 2023 9:59 pm

Josef Pöllmann wrote:You all really have problems with a few seconds of delay? ;)
When it used to be less than half a second, yes.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostThu Aug 24, 2023 11:25 pm

18.5.1 still has the lag the first time switching to the delivery tab after opening Resolve.
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PostFri Aug 25, 2023 12:19 am

I had this delay but clearing All cache solved it. Go to the new cache manager and then clear everything. I found I had cache there from things I did a year ago !!
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostFri Sep 15, 2023 4:00 pm

No improvement on 18.6 for me. :(
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostFri Oct 13, 2023 3:51 pm

This actually got worse in 18.6.2. :(
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostFri Oct 13, 2023 9:20 pm

I've not had any lag here so far.
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PostFri Oct 13, 2023 9:51 pm

18.6.2 I found about 0.5 sec lag the first time a new page is selected. After that it is almost instantaneous. Same on the Studio Max but a little quicker than the PC. Project file is resident on PC and Mac but source files on the same USB C external SSD.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostSat Oct 14, 2023 5:39 pm

Just noticed this thread but I've been suffering from this issue too, since 18.5. First-time the Deliver page is open, there's a large delay and Resolve is unresponsive. Subsequent switches to Deliver page are quick. If I load another project, the first-time switch to Deliver page freezes again. I haven't connected it to render jobs because it also happened to projects where there were none, but I do have many projects in my Disk database and probably tons of render jobs accumulated across all the projects. Do I now have to go over all of them one by one and clear the jobs to make it better?
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Re: Page Switching Lag

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czukowski wrote:Do I now have to go over all of them one by one and clear the jobs to make it better?
As I said in my previous message, if you are using a disk database, you have to open the folder of the database and search and delete all folders with the name "Batch Renders". No need to delete them one by one.

It doesn't matter if the current project has no render jobs. If other projects have render jobs (completed or not) the deliver page will be slow on the first open. The total duration of the delay depends on the total number of render jobs
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panos_mts wrote:As I said in my previous message, if you are using a disk database, you have to open the folder of the database and search and delete all folders with the name "Batch Renders"


Thanks, I didn't realize render jobs were just in the folder structure, I thought you were referring to using SQLite client or something to clear the jobs, which was something I didn't feel comfortable doing
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Re: Page Switching Lag

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Where do I find the Batch Render folder ?
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PostSun Oct 15, 2023 7:49 pm

I had to search in the Blackmagic directory and found under Users but they would not show directly. Had to search in that directory even with hidden files set to show. Found lots with contents on the first search. Then opened a project in Resolve, and opened all renders in the deliver page render window and deleted everything that showed up. Now when looking at the Batch Renders folders they were empty. Proceeded to delete. Just did a check to see if I placed something in the render list it would appear. Yes. So now know how to empty folders and delete.


It did not make any difference to page open or switching times though.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

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SkierEvans wrote:Where do I find the Batch Render folder ?


In Project Manager, there's an (i) icon next to your database name, click it and it'll show the location of the database. Do a search within that folder, basically, every project in your database will have its own.
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PostSun Oct 15, 2023 9:14 pm

Yes I found that way. It was just the need to do a Windows search that I got stuck on expecting them to be in the list. Have done the same thing now on my Mac. Has made no difference to page switching on Mac or PC though which was fine in my case anyway.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostSun Oct 15, 2023 10:56 pm

SkierEvans wrote:Has made no difference to page switching on Mac or PC though which was fine in my case anyway.
Perhaps you had few render jobs?
Or could be some other variable we are missing.

On my Windows 11 system, with 1200 render jobs, it needs around 8 seconds to open the deliver page for the fist time (or 15 seconds after a Windows restart). With 0 render jobs the initial delay is 1 to 2 seconds.

You can count the number of render jobs by searching for .xml files in the disk database folder.
Each render job has a corresponding .xml file with the following name format a3ec7117-d797-458f-97a8-da021064abb6.xml
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Oct 16, 2023 1:41 am

In the end I just searched for `Batch Renders `in the users folder on both the Mac and PC. On PC found lots going back several years of course since only had the Mac a year. The interesting things is that there is a Batch Render folder for every project created even if there is nothing in it. If you set a render but do not render and close Resolve there will be a Batch Render file created. If you then open the project and delete the render ( you never made ). The Batch Render folder is still there but empty. So Resolve does not clean up these folders at all. They just accumulate empty. If you select the three dots top right of render window and select all project only those with renders left in those projects render window from those projects will be there whether or not they have been rendered. If you then delete them and go look at the Batch Render folders they will be empty but folders still there. I can see some value if there is a need to go back and re-render something but not sure I see value in keeping empty folders.

when I looked on my PC or Mac I see no xml folders until I did folder search.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostTue Oct 17, 2023 5:03 am

I can confirm in v18.5.1 in Windows 10, after deleting all the "Batch Renders" folders and contents, switching to the delivery page for the first time in a session is almost instantaneous.

I wonder if the parsing of these batch render xml files was moved from the time Resolve or a project is opened, to switching to the delivery page so that opening Resolve or loading a project would be faster? I remember at a certain version update opening Resolve and project loading became faster. Was this from v18.1.4 to v18.5?
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostThu Oct 26, 2023 3:49 pm

panos_mts wrote:With 0 render jobs the initial delay is 1 to 2 seconds.
Even that is an order of magnitude longer than it used to be.

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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostFri Dec 22, 2023 5:33 am

I am also hit by this. Modern hardware, lots of RAM etc.

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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostMon Mar 04, 2024 6:57 am

I had a delay of ~30 seconds when switching to Deliver 1st time. This was annoying, but as I tend to render small multi-timeline projects in batch - it did not significantly affect my primary workflow - other than having the same delay on first batch render.

I followed >> panos_mts << instructions and cleared down the Batch Renders folders - and Viola !!! - my DR is back - with no delay in 1st batch renders, and a tiny delay when first switching to Deliver in the UI.

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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostThu May 30, 2024 1:18 pm

czukowski wrote:
SkierEvans wrote:Where do I find the Batch Render folder ?


In Project Manager, there's an (i) icon next to your database name, click it and it'll show the location of the database. Do a search within that folder, basically, every project in your database will have its own.



Thank you! Cleared Batch Renders and can now go to the Deliver page in under a second.
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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostWed Jul 24, 2024 10:16 am

panos_mts wrote:I did some more testing and I found that the delay on the first time you open the deliver page is related to the number of render jobs you have across the disk database. I searched and deleted all the "Batch Renders" folders from my database and now the deliver page opens fast.

Opening the deliver page has been getting slower and slower lately. Now that I have found this thread and deleted all “Batch Renders” folders after a database backup, my Deliver Page opens again immediately.

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Re: Page Switching Lag

PostTue Mar 25, 2025 12:24 pm

Rather than edit the database, click the three dots on the render queue.

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Then select Show All Projects

After it has populated, which may be a while if you're having this issue, you can then, from the three dot menu again, select Clear Rendered or Clear All as needed.

This should remove the Batch Renders from the database without touching the database.

Hope that helps!

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