No new Pocket...now what?

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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostSun May 07, 2017 3:30 pm

Not at this time Marcus. Unless the new Panasonic camera comes in this range. It is smaller, between GH5 and a Panasonic Varicam LT size wise, but price is going to be more than GH5, and Raw recording is doubtful, (going to an external recorder at this time) the rest, lens mount, recording feeds, etc is unknown until June...
And the saga continues. :roll:

Turns out. The lens mount is EF, sensor capabilities still under wraps.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostSun May 07, 2017 3:36 pm

That one has EF mount and is thus incompatible.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostSun May 07, 2017 3:44 pm

Marcus, the EF mount is speculation at this time, the actual mount has not been revealed. But like you said, odds are that it will be EF, but we could be for a surprise here also. :mrgreen:
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostSat May 13, 2017 9:03 am

John Brawley wrote:
Wayne Steven wrote:If it is so hard to encode 8k, how come there has been low end consumer camera chipsets capable of doing 8k/SHD for a few years?


"Show us the 8K low end consumer cameras Wayne....

Answered.

https://www.ambarella.com/products/sports-cameras#H3

The latest on a series that could be used 8k.

The nvidia credit card drone boards are another useful to look at.

Wayne Steven wrote:
Now, as far as overeating sensors. As was pointed out, there are many 4/3rds, even some s35, and lots of those tiny phones, that pull 4k video from their sensor without overheating,


"Which ones do uncompressed RAW and ProRes Wayne ?"

Virtually no sensor ever does prores. A lot of sensors do uncompressed raw of some sort (bayer, complimentary, x3). If it does video, it is often derived from some sort of raw (either sensor image or 4:x:x encoding which might be considered Raw). Unfortunately RAW has become associated with bayer only, instead of unprocessed whatever. Bayer is either raw bayer or processed bayer.

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Now, as I stated 8k has the distinct advantage of pulling stills from the frames, and poster sized ones at that. Real world, reasl world advantage. In weddings and other events, even on set, big advantage, big big big advantage. Any frame can be pulled corrected and posterised for marketing/advertising, real money. No need to have a photographer around to compensate for inadequate resolution, or o miss the best ****, give him the photographer to trawl for any ideal shot better than his/her.




"This theory of doing stills from high res video is largely discredited. It doesn't really work... Do you know why ?

Here's a NO FILM SCHOOL story from 2011 re-sprouting the RED speak. http://nofilmschool.com/2011/07/wedding ... epic-youre

The closest some photographers got was for fashion work. From 2014.
https://fstoppers.com/editorial/exclusi ... aker-34469

It doesn't work because the motion blur is too slow. No one wants' their wedding video to look like a scene from saving private ryan.

You have to shoot still photos with a high shutter speed to reduce blur and make a nice photo, especially on something that's moving and uncontrolled, like, a bride at a wedding.

For pretty motion you want the opposite, a slow shutter speed to make the nice motion blur that helps the pictures look fluid, smooth and pretty.

You shoot a wedding with high shutter speeds, then you end up with a choppy hip hop music clip.

Maybe one day a long time from now, those small micron sensors will be so sensitive that you could run two exposure cycles, but we're a very very long way form the sensors being sensitive enough to do two exposure cycles and make nice pictures in a crappy LED lit reception center.

It's a nice theory, but it doesn't work in reality.

High res motion cameras have been around for long enough for this to have TAKEN if it was going to work. It's already market proven. Some try it, but anyone who wants to make nice pictures, stills or video, and that's usually what gets the return business, won't do it. The only way this idea works is if you favour one over the other, to the detriment of one of them

JB"


I agree with your analysis, but there has been even cheap sensors for years that can do 60+ fps, so yes you can record 24fps+ slow, and 24fps fast shutters In between. Normally you are not going to try to do both at the same time, completely different framing requirements, but switch in between. However, because the better image moment is moving, of the wedding, if you are doing photography, you can more likely capture it at 50/60fps and extract it. If a separate wedding photographer, you may capture a better moment. Best to have two camera setups anyway (which they can't usually afford). However, with processing you can cleanup motion blur and restore detail. During the portrait shot it wouldn't be much of an issue anyway. So, yes, flexibility. If only we could use the high speed shoot and the slow speed shoot for hdr, back to back. Problem is a hdr exposure range would probably require the exposure of the two frames to be adjusted enough to cripple the range of each on its own. However, if each had hdr, on a good sensor for it, it wouldnt matter. Hdr is a feature in small low end sensors for years, some have it. However, the more circuits on the sensor pad pixel, the more chance to interfere with quality.
Currently low light is way out there, and Sony starvis or something like that will film color images on very small sensors by star light. I'm waiting for a smart phone with a suitable sensor like that. Anyway, more ideas for BM.

Thanks John. Sorry I've been pretty under it and off, so hadn't gotten back.

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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostSat May 13, 2017 11:26 am

Wayne Steven wrote:
John Brawley wrote:
Wayne Steven wrote:If it is so hard to encode 8k, how come there has been low end consumer camera chipsets capable of doing 8k/SHD for a few years?


"Show us the 8K low end consumer cameras Wayne....


Answered.

https://www.ambarella.com/products/sports-cameras#H3

The latest on a series that could be used 8k.


You have nothing answered. The linked Amabarella is a SoC (for 360° VR) and not a camera. And the H3 SoC hasn't been released yet.

The larger the sensor area, the more heat it produces. That is the reason why small smartphone sensors can do 4k/60p with less cooling power. But if you compare the IQ, then there are worlds between 4k from a tiny sensor and 4k from a large sensor.
If you half the readout time from a sensor you have to double its clock. And we all know what happens if you increase the clock of CMOS from overclocking CPUs. This is physics and not wishes to Santa Claus.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostSat May 13, 2017 12:02 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:
Wayne Steven wrote: But if you compare the IQ, then there are worlds between 4k from a tiny sensor and 4k from a large sensor.


It is made VERY hard to do that comparison with identical lenses in identical environments concentrating their light onto the 2 sensors that shall be compared.
But that's straying far from the subject of this thread, named above.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 1:23 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:
Wayne Steven wrote:If it is so hard to encode 8k, how come there has been low end consumer camera chipsets capable of doing 8k/SHD for a few years?


You have nothing answered. The linked Amabarella is a SoC (for 360° VR) and not a camera. And the H3 SoC hasn't been released yet.

The larger the sensor area, the more heat it produces. That is the reason why small smartphone sensors can do 4k/60p with less cooling power. But if you compare the IQ, then there are worlds between 4k from a tiny sensor and 4k from a large sensor.
If you half the readout time from a sensor you have to double its clock. And we all know what happens if you increase the clock of CMOS from overclocking CPUs. This is physics and not wishes to Santa Claus.


You are confusing things Robert. I said camera chipsets, and told you about two. If you want
them in a camera, you pay for it. They can be used for different products, but prove how low end the technology is, which was the point. You have no point.

You are bringing up the IQ, but the technology that can be put in smaller is more than adequate. 80-90% the quality for a tenth to a hundredth the price is pretty good. Your analysis of high speed photography is very interesting, no need to bring Santa into it. But, the datarates are piddling, alternatively transferring charge across the chip to a A/D (analogue to digital convertor. Preferred by Sony and other s) is an issue and doesn't need to be done that way. But let's have a look at it. You are actually saying that taking a high quality low noise 50fps sensor, and running it at 50fps in a slightly different way is suddenly disastrous. Does that make sense? See Santa doesn't exist, he didn't give you that one :)
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 2:38 pm

Wayne Steven wrote:You are confusing things Robert. I said camera chipsets, and told you about two. If you want
them in a camera, you pay for it. They can be used for different products, but prove how low end the technology is, which was the point. You have no point.


Again, you have it entirely backward... you're so far off base that it's pretty ridiculous. None of the Ambarella chipsets producing 8K footage are doing it from a single camera; they're taking two feeds from relatively low end cameras that deliver highly compressed footage and stitching them together.

You are bringing up the IQ, but the technology that can be put in smaller is more than adequate. 80-90% the quality for a tenth to a hundredth the price is pretty good.


That's extremely generous, given how crunched the footage coming from those cameras is.

Your analysis of high speed photography is very interesting, no need to bring Santa into it. But, the datarates are piddling,


And here you prove that you aren't thinking about anything real. 4K is 8 megapixels before de-Bayering. if you want that captured in a codec that retains enough data for color grading and compositing, then you need 8 megapixels per frame, which is a large amount of data at even 24 fps, let alone 48 or more fps. That's just simple math; move up to 8K and you're looking at 4x the data rate at any given frame rate, so once again, good luck doing it with an inexpensive Ambarella chipset.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 4:27 pm

Gentlemen (and Ladies), small sensor cameras like the Pocket camera, or even a larger Pro style MFT size sensor camera is currently dead in the water for 4K, while retaining good DR and Cinematic color detail, except for the MFT DSLRs like the GH5, recording to compressed codecs. Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall, the market demand is for larger S35 and up sensor cameras, like the Ursa Mini.

Panasonic just released its new Pro market "Cine" compact camera, and surprise, it is a full size S35 sensor, with a EF mount (bad choice me thinks), but there it is -- the king of MFT mid level pro cameras has jumped ship :!: Sony and Canon are also producing their new cameras, FS7/C200 in the same sensor size, for their smaller Pro production cameras. Smaller sensors cameras may still be availabil in compact cameras like the GH5 and the Canon XC 10/15 (fixed zoom lens), but these cameras only record high compressed codecs, and the XC series is still only 8-bit.

So, no new 4K, or even a 14-bit 2K small sensor serious camera like the Pocket camera, or Bolex D16 -- the market place is in a 4K, 6K, 8K, "the higher the better" resolution race, at our expense. We, the few, know, bit depth and DR is more important than resolution, once you get to 4K, which is down sampled to 2K for release anyway. Sadly, 2K/HD is going the way of SD, after a much shorter life than SD enjoyed. :roll:
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 4:34 pm

The GH5 is not a DSLR. It has no mirror. Therefore no R=reflex.
Even if it can be mistaken for one after the body grew in size since the GH2->GH3 transition.
Also like the GH4 it records just fine via 4:2:2 10bit HDMI, thank you.
(Contrary to the GH4 this no longer means you loose Wifi remote control.)
Any contrary to the new Varicam variation it offers IBIS and Dual-IS 1+2.
Also I don't see that "market demans" you claim. As long as you mean that the demand for a Super16 or 4/3" sized cinema camera has significantly declined.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 4:35 pm

Denny Smith wrote:So, no new 4K, or even a 14-bit 2K small sensor serious camera like the Pocket camera, or Bolex D16 -- the market place is in a 4K, 6K, 8K, "the higher the better" resolution race, at our expense. We, the few, know, bit depth and DR is more important than resolution, once you get to 4K, which is down sampled to 2K for release anyway. Sadly, 2K/HD is going the way of SD, after a much shorter life than SD enjoyed. :roll:
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I agree with you for the most part... but most of the new professional cameras are 4K. That's currently the sweet spot; the few doing 8K are ahead of the curve. The upcoming new CineAlta will probably be an 8K monster because the current CineAlta flagship is an 8K camera already, but I still think that 4K will be dominant in 2018.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 4:45 pm

So do I Rakesh, 4K is the current technology summit, and will be dominant for at least 2-3 more years, as it is just coming in to full swing, with media providers going to 4K distribution via on-line providers like NetFlix and UTube. Broadcast is still only HD, even though 4K TVs are available, so we will still have time to develop additional 4K cameras. However, the future for HD/2K is bleak, if it exits at all, except for TV production equipment like the ATEM HD, and small sensor TV cameras, but even these are coming out in 4K.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 5:01 pm

Yep... exactly.

Good HDR screens and delivery would give us better value than 4K, and since most films are still being finished in 2K, I don't see 8K coming nearly as quickly as 4K has. We've put several carts before the horse on this one.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostMon Jun 05, 2017 11:43 pm

Denny Smith wrote:The year is not over, just because there was not an announcement at NAB, doe not mean, that a new camera might be in the pipe line. BMhas taken a new tack, of not announcing a new product until it is actually available, as seen with the. Ew UrsaMini Pro, the ATEM HD and HD Studio Pro switchers.

Are you saying the HD Studio Pro is available? I ordered mine a long time ago.


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PostTue Jun 06, 2017 6:30 am

Here is a red shark link on the need for 8k.

https://www.redsharknews.com/production ... hotography

Instead of being fans on what was, realise how much more needs to be done. This is how you keep you keep a camera company going and growing. It is science, yes, but it is also business. You Gus are not thinking of it from the business angle. That is why they invested in the Fairchild technology, to take them to a better business footing. And they are only one step or so off the natural vision dynamic range of helium. When they do that everything else will be a bonus, but light right and your camera will be closer to natural. So, yes, it is important to get to 16.5 stops dynamic range and good color pickup. Lower noise and more dynamic range, over this, just make the options easier.
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PostTue Jun 06, 2017 6:31 am

Rakesh, reread everything.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostTue Jun 06, 2017 7:23 am

Wayne Steven wrote:You are confusing things Robert. I said camera chipsets, and told you about two. If you want
them in a camera, you pay for it. They can be used for different products, but prove how low end the technology is, which was the point. You have no point.


I am confusing nothing. The question from John B. was:

"Show us the 8K low end consumer cameras Wayne....


And you didn't show us the 8k low end consumer cameras just a SoC chip not available yet.
You were the one claiming there are existing 8k consumer cameras.
So just show them and stop beating around the bush.

Wayne Steven wrote:You are bringing up the IQ, but the technology that can be put in smaller is more than adequate. 80-90% the quality for a tenth to a hundredth the price is pretty good. Your analysis of high speed photography is very interesting, no need to bring Santa into it. But, the datarates are piddling, alternatively transferring charge across the chip to a A/D (analogue to digital convertor.


No one is talking about data rates. It is about read-out speed of the sensor. If you don't know what that is we can stop this discussion immediately.

Wayne Steven wrote:You are actually saying that taking a high quality low noise 50fps sensor, and running it at 50fps in a slightly different way is suddenly disastrous. Does that make sense?

Most of your writing does not make sense and you don't seem to understand how sensor technology works.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostTue Jun 06, 2017 7:24 am

Wayne Steven wrote:Rakesh, reread everything.


You really need to get a clue. There's a reason that most of the new cinema cameras are 4K Super35 cameras. There's also a reason that nearly every film made these days is finished in 2K. And why the Alexa remains dominant even though it doesn't have a native 4K imager, let alone 8K.

8K isn't necessary yet. We can't even deliver 4K without crushing the image so much that the image looks worse and an HD image because the pitiful excuse for broadband in most nations these days isn't adequate for even 4K, and most viewers these days are using phones, where 4K is completely irrelevant.

If you think that article is evidence for why BMD needs an 8K camera, then you need to work on your reading comprehension, because that article is describing something rather different from filmmaking.
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PostTue Jun 06, 2017 5:23 pm

The joke is, low-budget production can barely survive the scrutiny of 2K resolution; 4K and 8K, with typical low-budget lighting, makeup, set design and wardrobe will be unwatchable, if not outright laughable.

But of course 8K will make us all competitive with Hollywood ... or was it mini-DV which was supposed to do that?
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PostTue Jun 06, 2017 7:16 pm

No, it was DV Cam that was supposed to give us a Digital-BetaCam ability :roll:
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PostTue Jun 06, 2017 7:18 pm

You're only thinking about scenic work (and even there I disagree).
Usually people would mention documentary here but...
Theatre, nature, scenery, products, ... tons of details and often crazy dynamic range but hardly any budget.
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Denny Smith wrote:No, it was DV Cam that was supposed to give us a Digital-BetaCam ability :roll:
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Mini DV was the first "digital" consumer format that kicked of things like the Dogme Manifesto, which was actually a set of "vows" a filmmaker was meant to undertake.

While dogme didn't necessarily mean shooting on DV, it made a lot of sense to do so, and the most successful dogme films were indeed shot using Mini DV. DVCAM an DVCPRO were more " pro " versions fo the same format that added timecode and larger track pitch (less dropouts)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogme_95

Everyone associated Dogme with the DV revolution, but it's interesting to look at the original vow.

1. Shooting must be done on location. Props and sets must not be brought in (if a particular prop is necessary for the story, a location must be chosen where this prop is to be found).

2 The sound must never be produced apart from the images or vice versa. (Music must not be used unless it occurs where the scene is being shot.)

3. The camera must be hand-held. Any movement or immobility attainable in the hand is permitted.

4. The film must be in colour. Special lighting is not acceptable. (If there is too little light for exposure the scene must be cut or a single lamp be attached to the camera).

5. Optical work and filters are forbidden.

6. The film must not contain superficial action. (Murders, weapons, etc. must not occur.)

7. Temporal and geographical alienation are forbidden. (That is to say that the film takes place here and now).

8. Genre movies are not acceptable.

9. The film format must be Academy 35 mm. (this is assumed to mean aspect ratio of 4x3)

10. The director must not be credited.

Now, there's nothing on that list that actually says DV, but that's what everyone assumes is meant by it.

There's a bit more info here

http://www.dogme95.dk/the-vow-of-chastity/

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PostTue Jun 06, 2017 7:32 pm

And there's not a single Dogme movie which didn't violate one or more of those vows. Not to mention they were all state funded, except for the American one (Julian Donkey-Boy).

The first of them, "The Celebration" employed the best actors and crew in Denmark. Budget was something like $1.5 million.
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John Paines wrote:And there's not a single Dogme movie which didn't violate one or more of those vows. Not to mention they were all state funded, except for the American one (Julian Donkey-Boy).



What, like the way incentives fund shows or films ?

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PostTue Jun 06, 2017 10:30 pm

I don't know if it's still true in the age of EU austerity, but Denmark used to finance movies outright, or at least close to it. Lars von Trier was another beneficiary of that system, for better or worse. Same thing was true in Fassbinder's heyday, in Germany. Making movies was the best way to finance future movies.
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PostWed Jun 21, 2017 8:09 pm

Thomas Thiele wrote:
The Pocket has no real 1920. This results in some strange fixed noise pattern under some circumstances.
I would like something like 2.5K - 3K to give full 1920 after debayering and reframing.


Resolution has nothing to do with FPN showing up or not.

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PostWed Jun 21, 2017 10:33 pm

Craig Seeman wrote:What I'd want is an Ursa Micro. I don't think the Pocket form will work for what people say they want.


Exactly! Irrespective of it's technical appeal, the Pocket never impressed me enough to buy one because of it's small sensor size and inappropriate form-factor for the sort of work I cover. If BMD released one in the classic 'video' form factor, I'd buy two in a heartbeat. (even if it remained MFT)
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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 6:12 am

Exactly, Look at how most Pocket cameras end up being rigged anyway. Might as well start out with a smaller version of the Ursa Mini, like Panasonic did with EVA-1.
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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 6:18 am

as long as it stays with the Micro4/3 bajonett, raw recordings and an affordable recording medium, I would consider such a camera.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostThu Jun 22, 2017 6:19 am

So would I. :mrgreen:
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostThu Jun 22, 2017 1:21 pm

Yeah, but you'll never get rich, famous, universally admired and invited to join ASC without 8K, so what's the point?
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostThu Jun 22, 2017 1:53 pm

Frankly, I wouldn't be at all surprised if a 4K Pocket or equivalent is being worked on. The Micro Studio Camera already does 4K, but not great dynamic range and no log mode. But given that it came out 2 years ago, things have moved on, and I do not believe that there is anything stopping a decent 4K pocket from being produced.

The main stumbling block I think has been holding such a camera back is the SD recording media. It simply couldn't cope with 4K or 4K raw. This is no longer the case now, with ultra high speed 300MB/s+ cards now being sold, and making such a camera much more of a possible reality.

The Pocket must surely be one of BMD's most popular, and highest selling cameras. As such I do not think that they would ignore that market segment in a 4K version. I think it would be great if they didn't go totally micro, and left enough space to perhaps mount two E6 batteries. An URSA Micro Mini perhaps!

Although there are a few things that I would not get your hopes up for.

1) Decent audio inputs. It might have a basic mic in, but as for mini XLR, forget it (I would LOVE to be wrong though!)

2) Built in ND. Yep, we'd love this and it would be amazing to have, but I'll eat my SD cards if it happened!

3) Anything like 60P @4K. My bet would be a limit of 60p @1080p and 30p@4K. Maybe, just maybe they could stretch to 48fps at 4K. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

But yeah, I think people would be foolish to write off a 4K version of the Pocket. It's a high selling camera that is still in demand now. And both BMD and ourselves know full well it is due an upgrade, and would sell like ice coolers in a heatwave if they made one!
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostThu Jun 22, 2017 3:38 pm

No one is writing off a 4K Pocket -- BM was working on one, but currently, they could not find a suitable 4K/UHD sensor that has the same image quality as the existing HD Pocket camera. So the project is on hold, per BM, until a suitable sensor is available. So, I would not, " hold your breath" waiting for one to show up any time soon. :roll:
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostThu Jun 22, 2017 5:11 pm

John Paines wrote:Yeah, but you'll never get rich, famous, universally admired and invited to join ASC without 8K, so what's the point?


Joining the ASC is about craft and leadership, and has absolutely nothing to do with resolution.

Besides, most ASC cinematographers shoot with whatever cameras the production chooses, and on FX heavy films, that usually means Alexa or a film camera for the A cam, Epic for FX shots, and Phantoms for crazy slow motion.

The ones using 8K are a minority still.
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostThu Jun 22, 2017 6:34 pm

Rakesh Malik wrote:Joining the ASC is about craft and leadership, and has absolutely nothing to do with resolution.

Besides, most ASC cinematographers shoot with whatever cameras the production chooses, and on FX heavy films, that usually means Alexa or a film camera for the A cam, Epic for FX shots, and Phantoms for crazy slow motion.

The ones using 8K are a minority still.


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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostThu Jun 22, 2017 11:03 pm

If you're pining for 4K raw just buy the mini already. You can pick them up all day used for under 4k. It's like everyone wants 95% of the Ursa for 50% of the cost, sure me too. From a business perspective however, this is simply not going to happen no matter what some guy says at a trade show. 4K raw for a $1000 dollar camera doesn't even make sense from a budget production perspective. You'll end up spending 10X the camera cost on media, storage, and the machine to handle it all. I appreciate that BM opened up raw to the masses but for low end production 4k raw is a fantasy.

Why not shoot for a sensor in a box with 10-12 bit ProRes recording to M2 or MSata? I feel like it's that everyone is so hung up on the idea of raw that's it's becoming the major obstacle to the next Pocket/spiritual successor. Raw is great no maybe but who really needs it?
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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 1:35 am

:idea: I am with you Howard, Raw is good for some projects, but not really need for most budget shoots, like we do. ProRes 422 and 44 have all the horsepower most users here need, especially for productions that wind up on Vimeo or UTube. I like the ready to use image I am getting with the Micro Studio camera downcovertrd to HD and recorded to ProRes 422 on a PixE 5. Minimal post production, if you get eye exposure and color balance correct when you shoot. Kind of like shooting film reversal stock, great colors.

For more options in post, ProRes film log offers a lot of latitude also.

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Re: No new Pocket...now what?

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 4:50 am

Howard Roll wrote:If you're pining for 4K raw just buy the mini already.


Wrong lens mount, wrong recording media, wrong battery system, too large, too heavy, no need for expensive 12G SDI, Ref-IN, TC-out, LANC no longer controls focal length on PZ-lenses, no need for a large 5" touch screen
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