Nino seemed a little dismissive throughout, "we've seen this before," "as expected," not overtly judgmental but circumspect, a contrast to Johnni who was noticeably more enthusiastic.
Nino's a good guy, and the podcast is worth watching. I just don't think he's as informed in this case as Johnni was.
The sentiment pervades, (not from this podcast), but that 12K and small pixels are a gimmick, my opinion as 12K owner. They are still smallish pixels on the URSA-Cine. And those of us that know the camera, and how BM leverages white pixels for DR benefits, know it is a proprietary, effective technique, not a gimmick.
This video I shot with the UMP 12K in late 2022, I thought accounts for itself and the small pixel, RGBW tech fairly well, viewed in the same window as the CINE-12K demo clip, for skin tones, fading light, backlit shots into the sun etc.. It was shot in 12K, uploaded to YouTube in 8K.