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Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSat Dec 07, 2024 4:29 pm

As of now, it seems BMD has created some wonderful platforms for all users to jump into their ecosystem.

$30k - $15k - Ursa Cine (12k & 17k) - high end productions
$6300 - $2000 (used) - URSA Mini 12k/G2 - Owner, Operator Freelancer (or some other title)
$3000 - Pyxis - pretty much anyone on YT getting this
$2500 - $800 (used) - Pocket Line - Novice up to Professional

The group that seems to need a refresh is the URSA Mini Line.
I feel like even if they just updated the media to CF Express, the UMP12k would have new life.
I've seen SO many UMP12k users jump to the Ursa Cine, and many Pocket users go to the Pyxis.

So, I feel like there is potential for users to want something in between the Ursa Cine and Pyxis/Pockets. The UMPG2 can be had for around $2000 used, which is just crazy. A used, non-OLPF 12k is around $3800.

As I'm currently in a lull, I have no immediate need for a new camera, simply using a caged/rigged 6kFF.
But when work picks back up in Q1 2025, I want to improve the image quality of my camera. The URSA Mini 12k OLPF seems like the option I'm going to go with, but MAN OH MAN, would one last URSA Mini Pro camera be exciting. As long as it isn't a 6kFF sensor in it, haha. Of all the body designs, I think the URSA Mini had some great ergonomics. I wonder if Pyxis owners realized how much they potentially spend on rigging up a Pyxis? With an ND solution, plus lens adapters, and a robust battery solution, and cages... you could have gotten a used UMPG2 and grabbed a 3rd party OLPF and (IMO) would have a better camera.

I would love to see one last URSA Mini Pro. Update the media, make sure it has an OLPF, give a ton of sensor window options, improve the main display to something viewable in daylight.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSat Dec 07, 2024 5:43 pm

The URSA 12K OPLF exists.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSat Dec 07, 2024 6:00 pm

Of course. It’s been almost a year and a half since its release.
I’m hoping one more release AFTER that.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSat Dec 07, 2024 6:17 pm

Adam, perhaps the Pyxis Pro will step into that middle ground in terms of features, cost, and capability. Tim and others have discussed several ways a Pyxis Pro might make a more compelling option.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSat Dec 07, 2024 8:59 pm

I'd love to see an URSA Mini Pro repurposed with a 6K Full Frame Gen 2 Sensor and CFExpress. Then do the PYXIS Pro with that same sensor and you'd have an incredible A & B Combo. If they did L Mount for both with Autofocus you'd have a rival to the Sony FX9 & FX6 Combo. (Hint, hint.)

But most of all I'd want minimum 60 FPS in a Full Frame 6K in the UMP body. Most of the time that's the HFR option most clients expect since it has been the slow frame rate option that's been there since the days of the Pana HVX200 & Sony EX1. Even the Canon 7D had 60 FPS. So most end clients just expect that as an option. Even if 6K 16x9 is 60 FPS and 6K Open Gate is 48 FPS that is an improvement.

But yeah, the internal ND is a big one. So even if the UMP6KFF and PYXIS Pro PL/EF have internal ND and the L Mount versions do not then that would be acceptable for me. I'd rather have it in the Pro Mounts after all.

CFExpress is also a must. I just picked up a used 1TB CFast 2.0 Card for $375 at a Rental Company's Open House. But CFExpress is much cheaper now than CFast and as well faster in Write/Read Speeds. So, CFExpress is hands down the better media format for the UMP to adopt.

Overall, I'd love to get the URSA Cine 12K. It's out of my current price range. But it's nice to know that Blackmagic has achieved such an incredible camera and sensor. I aspire to own and operate one.
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Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSat Dec 07, 2024 10:04 pm

An aside
The current Pyxis supports 6K 2.4:1 at 60 fps. If one is delivering 4K DCI or 4K 16:9, then that 6K 2.4:1 may be an acceptable way to oversample or reframe or stabilize footage for 4K delivery at 60 fps.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSun Dec 08, 2024 12:00 am

I'd love a P4K Gen 2 that can take the better battery grip, EVF, two CFexpess Type B slots and 4-channel, 32-bit float audio.
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PostSun Dec 08, 2024 1:34 am

Sounds good after several years enjoying the original BMPCC4K.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSun Dec 08, 2024 10:33 pm

I would say, that with the announcement of the Alexa 265, it seems there's a nice consistency of the Alexa bodies that I wish BMD would think to implement. The 265, Mini LF, and the Mini just all seem compact in the best way possible. Granted, I've only ever used the Mini and like it, but there is something about making it as user-riggable as possible.

I know one of the best features of BMD cameras is the OS. But the reason why is that all BMD cameras have a touch screen to utilize such a wonder OS design. I think, right?
This design feature requires their cameras to have a touch screen. Even on the Pyxis, it is a viewable monitor as well. I wonder if they would ever do a true modular/box camera with just a menu screen that can be read in daylight and navigated by either a (even smaller) touch screen (striking the use of a monitor) or just a small backlight screen.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostSun Dec 08, 2024 11:27 pm

Adam Langdon wrote:I would say, that with the announcement of the Alexa 265, it seems there's a nice consistency of the Alexa bodies that I wish BMD would think to implement. The 265, Mini LF, and the Mini just all seem compact in the best way possible. Granted, I've only ever used the Mini and like it, but there is something about making it as user-riggable as possible.

I know one of the best features of BMD cameras is the OS. But the reason why is that all BMD cameras have a touch screen to utilize such a wonder OS design. I think, right?
This design feature requires their cameras to have a touch screen. Even on the Pyxis, it is a viewable monitor as well. I wonder if they would ever do a true modular/box camera with just a menu screen that can be read in daylight and navigated by either a (even smaller) touch screen (striking the use of a monitor) or just a small backlight screen.

The PYXIS Monitor may be the first step in making an external monitor that would allow for future cameras to not have a large monitor built into the camera. So they could maybe go that Alexa 35 route of having a smaller LCD screen for the important few menu options. Then you mainly get picture via the EVF or PYXIS Monitor. So, it's possible that Blackmagic could go that route.
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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostThu Dec 12, 2024 7:03 pm

I would like to buy a wwwrgb tech for pockets, I not need 12k also 8k is good but with newer color way.


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Re: Blackmagic's NEXT Camera...

PostMon Dec 16, 2024 9:53 pm

well, today bmd announce the release for 2025 about New immersive camera for Apple with dual 8k sensors at 16 stop of DR.
i can't afford it, but... just double of work is done... now i wait for a single 8k 16 stop dr cam :-D

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