Reslove's 1 app to rule them all... (suggestion)

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Reslove's 1 app to rule them all... (suggestion)

PostFri Mar 26, 2021 9:26 pm

I absolutely love Resolve and how you have 'a billion apps' in one.

* I used to dream of Adobe doing this back in the 90s,
(and they kinda did - but didnt... you could click on an icon to open another app)
The idea first came after I got Maya back around 00' - the whole modular approach was... cool.

Issues I currently see:
As Resolve integrates various apps, (as they were not built from the ground up to function, in tabs, in one app - as it currently does...) there are a lot of redundancy of what can be done in each tab.

For a new learner, or anyone... this can be both confusing if not somewhat annoying.
It makes sense that Fusion has some overlap with Color - if it were still a separate app.

But now its just a tab button away, it would be great to really hone-in, cleanup these pages, and put functions where it makes sense.
* nothing wrong with giving an alternate way of doing something, but its more about the how its done.

To a large extent, it feels as if Fusion was an app that was plugged in... (which it was) but thats not, hopefully, what the end goal will be.
* I get that Fusion peeps will expect certain things to be there, but in all honesty, they still use the standalone app - and if they move over, clicking the color tab isnt asking too much.

Now, I come from an AE background, so Im finding the whole Node thing (unlike the advertisement for Fusion) harder than digging around a timeline. :)

Teaching my daughter Fusion, (using VFX course), and she shares the same sentiments above.
(Have to say she is quite persistent, and enjoys Fusion... though we both noticed it didnt seem to get the love the other apps did in 17)

Either way... good on you all for making this app - looking forward to seeing Resolve's progress, and hoping for the best. (A lot of tiny glitches with Fusion, I must admit, that I wouldnt get with AE)
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Re: Reslove's 1 app to rule them all... (suggestion)

PostFri Mar 26, 2021 11:15 pm

Dhaylen wrote:Issues I currently see: As Resolve integrates various apps, (as they were not built from the ground up to function, in tabs, in one app - as it currently does...) there are a lot of redundancy of what can be done in each tab. For a new learner, or anyone... this can be both confusing if not somewhat annoying. It makes sense that Fusion has some overlap with Color - if it were still a separate app.

They're working on it as best they can and they're aware of it. Already in 17, they've "unified" several functions that now work in a very similar way across different parts of the program.

The rest of it: my advice is stop fighting it and get used to it. To me, a lot about Resolve winds up with just having a Zen attitude and spending more time learning the program rather than wishing it were something else. If you look back to version 8 or before, it's come a long way in 11 years -- it's leaps and bounds better than where it started.
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Re: Reslove's 1 app to rule them all... (suggestion)

PostSat Mar 27, 2021 9:33 am

Marc Wielage wrote:
Dhaylen wrote:Issues I currently see: As Resolve integrates various apps, (as they were not built from the ground up to function, in tabs, in one app - as it currently does...) there are a lot of redundancy of what can be done in each tab. For a new learner, or anyone... this can be both confusing if not somewhat annoying. It makes sense that Fusion has some overlap with Color - if it were still a separate app.


The rest of it: my advice is stop fighting it and get used to it. To me, a lot about Resolve winds up with just having a Zen attitude and spending more time learning the program rather than wishing it were something else. If you look back to version 8 or before, it's come a long way in 11 years -- it's leaps and bounds better than where it started.


Dont doubt it, Marc - it is already a beautiful app, no doubt.
It had me at "hello" upon my re-entry into the world of video. :)

I dont have remotely the amount of experience with Resolve as you do (started at the end of 16, now in 17) - my 'expertise' was in Avid, FinalCut, back when Premiere thought it was a good idea to get a facelift. :P

My comment was born out of my experience with teaching my daughter, (adult), Resolve and noting the experience of a new person with - specifically - Fusion... (Offered to switch her to AE, as its by far easier, imo, but she wants to stick with Resolve/Fusion - which I understand)

There are a lot of little oddities (this part has nothing to do with integrating the interface) that we both are experiencing with the program, and one reason that there was a slight disappointment that Fusion had the least amount of changes in 17.

Either way - yeah, love the Zen approach aspect... think that is where we will go with it.
(Daughter is already there) :p

* You know - Fusion is the only 'app' in Resolve without a control panel.
Color, Cut page (speed edit), Edit page (full keyboard), fairlight - all have a panel.
(Honestly my son and I were talking about it - and Fusion doesnt, on the surface, seem to need one.)

Daughter was arguing the case for it (she loves panels) and I can see it.
Currently she uses a Wacom with it (as do I - use a Wacom for everything), and mentioned that it could have a mini tablet with buttons to the side to do quick inserts of the various main insert actions.
(insert is definitely not the right term for the Fusion page - talking about nodes/effects, etc)

* Whatta ya say Black Magic, can you dream up a mini panel that would flow with Fusion? :)
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Re: Reslove's 1 app to rule them all... (suggestion)

PostSat Mar 27, 2021 2:41 pm

I have to agree with you. I too started many moons ago with AE - I was one of Lyndia Weiman's original students in Ojai. After a long hiatus I have gotten back into video due to having to create virtual presentations. So it was time to relearn and upgrade everything. A massive shift in technology and capabilities are now available. Also lots of support and learning options.

Now, have gone away from Adobe products and settled on Affinity - much more cost effective for me and a more viable option. I started last year on a PC and like you had gotten a Wacom tablet. The PC served double duty and I initially used OBS Studio which was satisfactory and I continue to use to most of the admins are PC based. However, due to needing to upgrade my laptop, I got one of the first MacBook Air M1's and was so impressed, that I got a Mac mini M1 and set up a Dedicated Video Studio - It is based upon the Blackmagic products and DaVinci Resolve. I have the ATEM Mini Pro ISO and thanks to getting the Speed Editor I have upgraded to the Studio Version with a valid license. The micro panel is somewhere on the horizon along with a Blackmagic camera(s).

Your post got me thinking about what is missing. You are right with the Panels for sure. Also, but I would like better integration to use a iPad that I have. With a PC based setup, the Wacom was fine, but now with the Mac M1 based setup - the choice would be an iPad.

Another minor gripe is the sole input support for Photoshop files - need to expand to include Affinity (which runs on all my platforms - PC, iPad, M1's). As is, I need to export to Photoshop file and import that way. Just clumsy and awkward.

Love the Fusion Node based architecture - I had no problem migrating from Layers and see how powerful and useful they can be.

Yes, the Zen is good term. Once you find harmony with Resolve it does speak to you.
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PostSat Mar 27, 2021 2:47 pm

You haven't really offered any specific ideas here, Dalen. On that front...

There is a separate forum for Feature Requests.

viewforum.php?f=33

Best practice is to search first, to see if someone already asked. If not, post one idea per thread with a very brief description of the idea in the thread's title.
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PostSat Mar 27, 2021 3:49 pm

Jim Simon wrote:You haven't really offered any specific ideas here, Dalen. On that front...

There is a separate forum for Feature Requests.

viewforum.php?f=33

Best practice is to search first, to see if someone already asked. If not, post one idea per thread with a very brief description of the idea in the thread's title.


If it helps, I did go to the main forum page to see if they had a slot for suggestions, https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/
* Sorry, Jim, I overlooked it... ;)

Also different etiquette per forum... some forums actually have threads locked after 'x' number of days, and are fine that you will find - in search - a number of post on a given topic.
* Others yet, wont lock it, but frown upon digging up a topic from way back.

Either way - everyone has a way of going about doing it - I suppose you could just ignore my post. ;)
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PostSat Mar 27, 2021 3:54 pm

Well, my hope was that I might get you to post some specific ideas in the Feature Request section for discussion.
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PostSat Mar 27, 2021 4:01 pm

shenrods wrote:Another minor gripe is the sole input support for Photoshop files - need to expand to include Affinity (which runs on all my platforms - PC, iPad, M1's). As is, I need to export to Photoshop file and import that way. Just clumsy and awkward.

Love the Fusion Node based architecture - I had no problem migrating from Layers and see how powerful and useful they can be.

Yes, the Zen is good term. Once you find harmony with Resolve it does speak to you.


Importing Photoshop files - Im glad you mentioned it - yes, I would love to see this expanded!

My daughter was trying to animate a puppet in Fusion that her sister made using Corel Painter.
(Ton of layers) We had to save it out as a .PSD, uncompressed - and the file size was at least 'double' the normal size of the native file size... (couldn't really work with it in Fusion)

* It would be cool to see Fusion handle 2D character animation better.
(AE has a plug-in, and I believe Unity 3d does as well)
I know its a niche market, but - hey, why not... its cool and fun! :)

Like you, I went with Affinity as well - just not into the whole subscription model - while hearing many people talk about how much Premiere, etc. crashes, is bloated, etc. (Where does the $$$ go?) ;)

Thanks for the comments!
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PostSat Mar 27, 2021 4:04 pm

Jim Simon wrote:Well, my hope was that I might get you to post some specific ideas in the Feature Request section for discussion.


Thanks, Jim - hope you didn't take my comment the wrong way.
Definitely will use that channel now that I know its available.

Maybe a mod would be kind enough to relocate this? Thanks, either way!

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