Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostThu Oct 19, 2023 2:23 pm

Dejan Špagnut wrote:I think that you have overly romantic view on all of this :D

NASA buys what is good for NASA, you should buy what is good for you. Why would you in video postproduction even care what a hospital or space agency buys? And yes, big organisations change vendors all the time, for reasons you would never imagine.

I believe I am talking facts and opinions and this has nothing to do with romantic views :)

Even though I prefer HP becouse of my excellent experience with its workstations, still I am not a fanboy and could easily switch to another reputable brand if I wish to, but I am sure Apple will never be one of them.

As for why I care what big and respected organizations depends on, well in such sensitive fields, dependability and reliability are among the most important factors that drives their purchasing decision and I am sure they choose a reputable brand very carefully based on market history for dependability and reliability and after doing their own long term testings. So, I care becouse this gives me very good indication which brand I should rely on and you should care as well. ;)
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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostThu Nov 30, 2023 3:10 pm

I used almost exclusively Mac systems in post for almost 30 years.

Years ago, I was closely involved with Apple through the early development of NLE technology (Avid, Premiere, FCP, etc) and facilitated getting Macs into all the major studios and post houses.

Then in production and post I used only Macs for everything.

The trashcan Mac ended that. That fiasco was so bad for us not merely because of the machine itself, but because it exposed the lies about it that Apple had been propagating, and the flat reality that Apple had totally stopped caring for professional users. In my entire career, I never had a worse customer service experience.

We still use Macs for laptops, but not for anything job-critical. Their machines are simply no longer designed for it, and their support will not be there when you need them. We believe this is critical when evaluating performance. Specs are only part of the picture. Long term performance and reliable support are more important than raw speed.

We use Puget systems workstations, and whole-heartedly recommend them.

I am not a fan of Windows, but I am even less of a fan of Apple management.

Case in point: the new "revelations" that Apple is being deceptive by saying that you only need 8GB of RAM, because on Mac that is equivalent to 16GB of RAM on Windows. This is being widely debunked, and illustrates where there true concerns are.
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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostSun Dec 17, 2023 10:12 pm

Another indication. Doesn't affect average users, but directly impacts pro studios.

Apple's announcement that it will be actively removing the last bits of IEEE 1394 Firewire computer code in its Ventura and Sonoma operating systems has huge industry implications. This removal stops all audio compatibility in future operating systems and condemns hundreds of thousands of pieces of audio gear to the landfill.


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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostMon Dec 18, 2023 1:02 am

FireWire has been replaced by USB in 2008. That's 15 years now, an eternity in computers.
Anybody remembering the time Avid phased out NuBus? And we invested tens of thousands into that!

OTOH, Monterey still works with FW and it's a nice and stable system.
Apple computers are pretty long lived, the old Intel cheesegraters in particular which are around in many sound studios until today. So, stick to them (or get a spare one before it's too late). Many professionals keep an older machine alive even for software that is not in business any more.
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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostMon Dec 18, 2023 1:09 am

Matt White wrote:Case in point: the new "revelations" that Apple is being deceptive by saying that you only need 8GB of RAM, because on Mac that is equivalent to 16GB of RAM on Windows. This is being widely debunked, and illustrates where there true concerns are.


True. Having too little RAM on these machines will kill your internal SSD(s) sooner or later. I recommend at least twice the amount of RAM in GB for the number of GPU cores you have. This is DR specific, which is very demanding on the GPU.
You can actually get away with surprisingly small RAM for other software on Apple silicon, but not for DR. So, they are not lying, but not telling the full truth ;-)
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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostMon Dec 18, 2023 2:14 pm

Matt White wrote:Another indication. Doesn't affect average users, but directly impacts pro studios.

Apple's announcement that it will be actively removing the last bits of IEEE 1394 Firewire computer code in its Ventura and Sonoma operating systems has huge industry implications. This removal stops all audio compatibility in future operating systems and condemns hundreds of thousands of pieces of audio gear to the landfill.




"Condemn" ? Wow.
FW has been dead for at least a decade. Then again, Windows still supports parallel port devices.
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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostMon Dec 18, 2023 2:24 pm

Avid recently ended its support of FireWire devices in Media Composer. I still have old HDV cameras that record to tapes (where FireWire is required). Those cameras end up in the museum of broken dreams.
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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

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Why not copy them digitally before the tape drives are dead?
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Re: Mac Studio performance compared to 40xx GPUs

PostMon Dec 18, 2023 4:19 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:Avid recently ended its support of FireWire devices in Media Composer. I still have old HDV cameras that record to tapes (where FireWire is required). Those cameras end up in the museum of broken dreams.


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