Uli Plank wrote:kfriis wrote:Does it matter, if you have to cut start and end from handheld material in most cases anyway?
You don’t need Cinematic or Extreme even Standard stabilisation when using tripod or gimbal, do you?
1. No, not to me.
2. Standard is good enough even handheld if I don't drink too much coffee. Cinematic and Extreme loose resolution and I see some overshooting on sudden motion. So, yes, mechanical measures are still valuable.
Cinematic and Extreme are like "maximum extra" stabilization on "real cameras" - ALSO introducing side effects in form of heavy cropping in most cases. As often is the case, options are personal choices.
I wanted to DOCUMENT, what could happen, in Cinematic and Extreme, if stressed. The whole test scenario was designed to do that: Find "worst case" scenario, and what would happen in the following frames.
I documented, that around the first second COULD be of doubtful value - in MANUAL mode - but after the first second especially two, there were no visible side effects. The footage was near constant alll the way to the end. Most people do NOT care, what happens worst case the first one to two seconds, of a five minute shoot, IF they are prepared.
This is important, in any case, where you need maximum (handheld) stabilization, and need to capture something in the shadow - requiring manual mode - in bright summer daylight (unless you can turn off "heavenly light", which most can't). This is not unusual during travel, reportage etc.
As it turns out, if you plan for worst case - shoot as soon as SENSIBLY possible - chances are, that you get everything important in the best possible quality. Nice to know, instead of bickering on "a low minimum FPS", that as far as I could establish, only exists in exceptional cases (where minimum FPS is still true, but NOT representative for the footage, you get after a second or two - worst case!!!!).
You seem to have gotten the impression, that worst case equals best case, so here are best case (handheld and fully automatic mode):
No stabilisation (image jittery as hell):Billedratemodus : Variabel
Billedfrekvens : 25,000 FPS
Minimum billedfrekvens : 24,979 FPS
Maksimum billedfrekvens : 25,010 FPS
Cinema mode (image rock solid):
Billedratemodus : Variabel
Billedfrekvens : 25,000 FPS
Minimum billedfrekvens : 24,979 FPS
Maksimum billedfrekvens : 25,010 FPS
You can complain, that you never use fully auto mode, but that is a personal preference, not really representative for the tens of millions new iPhone 15 Pro (Max) users the coming months.
My aim was to document, what happens in a specific case, that stresses the system, and how to avoid unnecessarily side effects. Worst case for situations, that demand maximum "help" in form of heavy stabilization, as far as I could test it. Nothing more.
If your camera is always mounted rock solid, it has no significance for you. For me, the opposite is true. The only reason I invested time in finding out, what actually seemed to happen.
Cinema mode has a tendency to overshoot, if you're not carefull (test it in real use, and you know the limitations before use - universal advice in photo/video), but "Standard" or "None" stabilization makes that argument superfluous, because my handheld video is then mostly unusable - especially if it's freezing outside, as is currently the case (or requires heavy stabilization in post, also cropping the frame dramatically - if footage can be at all saved!!!).
It's a choice between pest or cholera, if I want the footage at all. No other "common walkabout" alternative, or....?
If you never use stabilization, always use tripod and... and... always have all the time in the world to compose the video, you want (not what you can get away with), wonderfull for you. Your camera, whatever it is, will always have the best available conditions to work under.
That's not my standard use case.
I'll stop the thread here.
Regards and remember to have a bit of fun every day