Update on Camera Shipments

it's time to cancel orders and jump on to ikonoskop, Nikon D800 or Canon 5D marc III. in that time whith this cameras you will easily earn 3000$ and after 3 or 4 months when BMCC well be out you can buy it

Alas, for I shot recently on my 5D Mark III and it doesn't hold a candle to what the BMCC captures

Can barely produce a 720p image in 1080p mode

Ikonoskop is a great camera but it costs 9000 euro (the starter kit). Kineraw would be an option but is not out yet.

If I had the money to buy Ikonoskop I would do it tomorrow, because I would get it in one day and like you say I could sell it when the BMCC finally comes out.

it's time to cancel orders and jump on to ikonoskop, Nikon D800 or Canon 5D marc III. in that time whith this cameras you will easily earn 3000$ and after 3 or 4 months when BMCC well be out you can buy it

bye bye now!

Well, hopefully we can all get those little puppies by Jan/Feb.

Aug/Sept 2013

In time for bartman's 14th birthday perhaps?




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the problem is, we can say whatever we want but at that price with that quality there's nothing on the market. Canon C100 (will be around 8000 $), fs100, fs700 ( 9000 euro), Ikonoskop etc...

I mean, if you can afford to spend 20000 than you can dare to choose, if you have a limited budget than you have to wait, relax, and meawhile shoot with the camera you have in your hands...hoping you still didn't sell it!

even without BMCC?
Now GOPRO is 4K x $ 400

BH new status: "BACK-ORDERED"

Perhaps I am hopelessly optimistic, but I take the change to Back-Ordered as a good sign. Why would they go from "Pre-Order" to "2 to 4 weeks" to "back ordered" if they didn't expect to receive a sizable shipment? My guess (hope) is they have been promised a set number soon and changed to back ordered after that limit was hit. Not to say BM can actually hit that target, but who knows, maybe?
I still have no hope for my own order, which was placed about 2 weeks ago. Figured it was finally time to get in line.

BH new status: "BACK-ORDERED"

Perhaps I am hopelessly optimistic, but I take the change to Back-Ordered as a good sign. Why would they go from "Pre-Order" to "2 to 4 weeks" to "back ordered" if they didn't expect to receive a sizable shipment? My guess (hope) is they have been promised a set number soon and changed to back ordered after that limit was hit. Not to say BM can actually hit that target, but who knows, maybe?
I still have no hope for my own order, which was placed about 2 weeks ago. Figured it was finally time to get in line.

"2 to 4 weeks" means B&H estimates to be able to ship an item within 2 to 4 weeks of receipt of a customer's order.

"Backordered" means B&H can't estimate how long it will be before they can ship an item.

We can't know exactly why B&H makes or changes these estimates, regardless of what they tell us. My experience has been that often when you ask a question of B&H you get a different answer from every salesperson you speak with, and/or every time you contact them. The most likely reason for this is because their salespeople don't know any more than we do, and they often know less.

Optimism is OK as far as it goes, but I don't recommend planning ones schedule around B&H's shipping/availability info.

Meanwhile, I look forward to another "update" this week concerning the BMCC from Mr. Grant Petty. Theoretically he's in a better position than B&H to know about the BMCC's availability.

Cheers.

I love how we still have no idea when we're getting our cameras.

Not.

I love how we still have no idea when we're getting our cameras. Not.

I'm going on the theory that between this week's update from Mr. Petty, and next week's update -- hopefully he'll keep to an approx. weekly schedule -- we should have a much better idea of "when" than we do now.

Of course, our current idea of "when" is a huge question mark, so an improvement could be anywhere from a "somewhat smaller question mark" (maybe) to a specific "date/range". I guess we'll see how it goes these next couple of weeks ...

Last friday is considered this week? Or was there an update this week that I missed?

Last friday is considered this week? Or was there an update this week that I missed?

Hi Rich: In his 2nd (most recent) update last week on Fri., Oct. 13th, Grant promised another update for later this week. That's what I'm referring to: This week's (his 3rd) update or next week's (his 4th) update may hopefully tell us something concrete about shipping, I hope, and hopefully he keeps to a weekly "update" schedule.

BMD couldnt even bother making/shipping the camera handles for the BMC let alone the camera itself.
Tell me, what part shortage does the handle suffers from for the delay because I'm having a hard time believing the sensor issue is the only reason for the camera. Something else is holdiing up production.

When does people realise this? No BMC handles = no BMC cameras = no commitment in the whole operation.

This is increasingly sounds like a big MARKETING GIMMICK!!!!

BMD couldnt even bother making/shipping the camera handles for the BMC let alone the camera itself.
Tell me, what part shortage does the handle suffers from for the delay because I'm having a hard time believing the sensor issue is the only reason for the camera. Something else is holdiing up production.

When does people realise this? No BMC handles = no BMC cameras = no commitment in the whole operation.

This is increasingly sound like a big MARKETING GIMMICK!!!!

I agree that the BMCC handles are a complete mystery. Personally, I have zero interest in them, but it's cool if someone else like them.

However, a simple explanation for their non-existence could simply be: Perhaps there are very few orders for them, so BMD has simply set it "aside" at least temporarily until BMCC cams are rolling out the door in volume. I've seen similar things happen with accessories for other cameras. If demand is low, or even if it isn't, other priorities often take precedence.

I don't see the BMCC handles being missing-in-action as equalling proof that BMD has "no commitment in the whole [BMCC] operation".

Rather, the BMCC cams themselves being MIA might be construed as proof of such, if one was even slightly cynical ... or just frustrated with waiting ...

Also, as for wondering if "something else" is holding up BMCC production other than bad sensor glass (as if that weren't enough reason): I've wondered about this too ... I mean, anything's possible: BMD's lead engineer has been abducted by aliens (again!), BMD's technical & legal depts have been swamped with work related to a patent application for turning seawater into gold (again!), Grant Petty has been distracted by his planning for domination of the world of high-tech (again!), and so forth ...

[Kristian Lam]

BMD couldnt even bother making/shipping the camera handles for the BMC let alone the camera itself.
Tell me, what part shortage does the handle suffers from for the delay because I'm having a hard time believing the sensor issue is the only reason for the camera. Something else is holdiing up production.

Hi,

The handles have just started shipping out from the factory late last week and should make their way to the various channels soon.

BMD couldnt even bother making/shipping the camera handles for the BMC let alone the camera itself.
Tell me, what part shortage does the handle suffers from for the delay because I'm having a hard time believing the sensor issue is the only reason for the camera. Something else is holdiing up production.

Hi,

The handles have just started shipping out from the factory late last week and should make their way to the various channels soon.

Great news for folks with cameras who wanted the handles, too ... oh wait ...

Just joking. Glad to hear things are moving along!

The handles have just started shipping out from the factory late last week and should make their way to the various channels soon.

Thanks for the info Kristian. This should give us a good idea about the amount of time the cameras will take to make their way to the various channels once they are shipped from the factory.

FWIW cameras are now being shipped, albeit slowly. We just got one here in Singapore - so hopefully everyone waiting gets them quickly.

FWIW cameras are now being shipped, albeit slowly. We just got one here in Singapore - so hopefully everyone waiting gets them quickly.

Hi Dave: That's good news. May I ask: Do you work for BMD or a BMD dealer, or are you an end-user customer? Thanks, and cheers!

Peter,
no worries - i am a customer...
dave

Peter,
no worries - i am a customer...
dave

Well, you're one lucky fellow! When did you place your order? Can you share who you ordered it from?

Looking forward to seeing some of what you do with your BMCC when/if you are able to share. What will be your primary use for the camera?

I'd be curious if whether or not you eventually find it helpful to apply a piece of 3M anti-glare film to the BMCC's LCD screen. It has both advantages & disadvantages, but at least it's inexpensive:
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... on-on-you/

Best of luck with your new cam!

I have been an Apple customer since 1984, when I bought the "128K Mac". I'm a rational person with everything I do, except when I buying Apple. I get weak on the knees and regardless of problems (i.e delays, price, bad antenna reception, what do you mean the white phone is delay 8 months), I cry of joy like a little girl every time I take possession of apple products

I am one of many who have bought a BMCC, and daydream everyday of the things I will do with it. I feel myself uneasily in a familiar place now as I wait and wait with despair and someday with rage and yet knowing that once I get one on my hands and make eye contact - all will be forgotten and the love affair will begin....

i ordered it pretty much as NAB was still going on from their distributor here in Singapore. Primary use for them will be promotional/events and documentary/reportage

cheers for the info re the 3m sheets. we do have quite a few vendors that do glare cut filter material here (since we have thousands of different tablets) which is compatible with capacitive touch screens so i will try to grab some in the next day or so.

btw i noticed on the box, it already talks about DNxHD. so the boxes were printed either after firmware 1.1 or as it was expected to be released...

i ordered it pretty much as NAB was still going on from their distributor here in Singapore. Primary use for them will be promotional/events and documentary/reportage

cheers for the info re the 3m sheets. we do have quite a few vendors that do glare cut filter material here (since we have thousands of different tablets) which is compatible with capacitive touch screens so i will try to grab some in the next day or so.

btw i noticed on the box, it already talks about DNxHD. so the boxes were printed either after firmware 1.1 or as it was expected to be released...

Excellent. The anti-glare film for LCDs gets mixed reviews, as expected. Because of the way it works, it slightly diffuses the image, but that's the trade-off for less glare. Ideally BMD will use a different low-glare glass/LCD in a future camera model if they ever decide to create one.

DNxHD has been a BMCC feature (& on the BMD website) from the beginning, so the box probably listed that from the start, too.

Have fun with your cam!

DNxHD has been a BMCC feature (& on the BMD website) from the beginning, so the box probably listed that from the start, too.

ah ok - i guess it's been so long since the announcement, i've forgotten... i know it was implemented in 1.1 so i assumed

Well I know at least one camera exists - going to a BMCC seminar today to actually use it... will post results later and any details I get on shipping (note: don't expect any )

Well I know at least one camera exists - going to a BMCC seminar today to actually use it... will post results later and any details I get on shipping (note: don't expect any )

That wouldn't happen to be the one at Creative Video would it? If so i'll see you there. I'll be the one with the big nose.

Indeed - I'll be the one rushing in late cause I'm stuck in Traffic

i ordered it pretty much as NAB was still going on from their distributor here in Singapore. Primary use for them will be promotional/events and documentary/reportage

cheers for the info re the 3m sheets. we do have quite a few vendors that do glare cut filter material here (since we have thousands of different tablets) which is compatible with capacitive touch screens so i will try to grab some in the next day or so.

btw i noticed on the box, it already talks about DNxHD. so the boxes were printed either after firmware 1.1 or as it was expected to be released...

Dave, I'm in Hong Kong. The local distributor here even doesn't accept pre-order. So I turn to B&H. Hope to get mine soon. Tks.

Indeed - I'll be the one rushing in late cause I'm stuck in Traffic

Well I'm going to the 2pm one and we're quite close to Creative Video. Hope to be there on time.

What about another update?
It´s Friday morning (or even later, who knows) at the end of the world!

Personally I'm a bit deflated after playing with the camera in the flesh... all of the shortcomings are multiplied by 10 and the ONLY saving grace is the RAW, but is that enough? :S ...

Also from speaking to the CVP chaps the general consensus is that you won't see your EF mount (as the manufacturing problem only seems to be on this model not the MFT) before the New Year. To Quote "Before Christmas is now looking to be optimistic"

So not really sure what another update will tell us... we all know what the score is.

... Also from speaking to the CVP chaps the general consensus is that you won't see your EF mount (as the manufacturing problem only seems to be on this model not the MFT) before the New Year. To Quote "Before Christmas is now looking to be optimistic" ...

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

We've been told twice by Grant Petty, BMD's CEO, that the manufacturing issue concerns the sensor assembly, specifically the cover glass that protects the sensor. The cover glass was damaged in shipment between the glass factory and the sensor factory.

You do realize, I hope, that the exact same sensor assembly is used in both the BMCC-EF and BMCC-MFT model, right? Therefore the manufacture of both cameras is equally affected.

BMD can't manufacture good cameras of either model until they have good sensor assemblies to work with.

Once BMD have good sensor assemblies in hand, they can restart manufacture of BMCC-EF cams. At some point after that, once BMD feels they've sufficiently worked-through the BMCC-EF order backlog, they'll start making BMCC-MFT cams, too.

Hopefully this week's info update (in the next 24 hrs. or so) will answer a few more questions or at least give us a better idea of where things stand, and subsequent (weekly I hope!) info updates will hopefully do the same.

Cheers.

Personally I'm a bit deflated after playing with the camera in the flesh... all of the shortcomings are multiplied by 10 and the ONLY saving grace is the RAW, but is that enough? :S ...

Also from speaking to the CVP chaps the general consensus is that you won't see your EF mount (as the manufacturing problem only seems to be on this model not the MFT) before the New Year. To Quote "Before Christmas is now looking to be optimistic"

So not really sure what another update will tell us... we all know what the score is.

I don't know what you're talking about... I was at the same event and I was told by the BMD rep that we'd likely see the camera start shipping in the next few weeks in limited quantity and ramp up soon after and would likely see preorders fulfilled by the new year.

But yes. The camera has major shortcomings and CVP were very honest about them, but didn't we all know this already?

I'd love to believe that "a few weeks from" was not "a few weeks from today's rolling date".

For BMD to avoid a full-scale customer & dealer revolt, BMD needs to give more specific quantitative info about BMCC testing, manufacturing, & shipping in their "update" this week (in the next 24 hrs. or so), and in the following weeks.

BMD has finally done an OK, but very belated job of describing the alleged manufacturing problem.

But they've left unanswered questions such as, if/when manufacturing has "restarted", what are the quantities involved, who's getting cameras, and when.

Also, BMD should consider making small gestures such as posting snapshots showing the BMCC assembly lines, QA testing rigs, etc. This would go some distance in making folks feel like things are happening, instead of Blackmagic being a mysterious black box that we never get to see inside.

Obviously, job #1 is getting cams built, tested & shipped. At the same time, I want BMD to continue to improve their communication with their customers, present & future.

Cheers.

men, my dog is getting tired of waiting.
every morning jumps on the bed and says: "today is the day that we make the test footage!!!"
tell him every morning that there is a delay, and watch his deception face is hurting me

ship the cameras, not for me or the other customers, ship the cameras fot the dogs, think about all the dogs that are waiting to appear in the first test footage...

And don't forget the cats, significant others, babies, trees, bushes, food, cars, video game machines, seashores, night street scenes, bars/pubs, etc., etc., etc.

and everything focused-defocused-focused-defocused.... wait.. focused ... ah... it´s been a long time since mark II... i miss the test footage videos xD

For BMD to avoid a full-scale customer & dealer revolt, BMD needs to give more specific quantitative info about BMCC testing, manufacturing, & shipping in their "update" this week (in the next 24 hrs. or so), and in the following weeks.

So...
You speak for every customer and dealer now?
If BMCC doesnt update YOU every week, there will be a "full-scale revolt "

My daily , courtesy of the BM Forums!

I know its hard pill to swallow, waiting since April, for a end of August shipment, that has turned it to, maybe, soon, we're testing, dont call us- we'll call you....but!
you arent getting what you paid for (the camera), how/why do you expect to get something you didnt pay for (BMCC communication)?!?

BM botched this, but its ok, it happens frequently enough in this industry when a company tries to overdeliver a so called "revolutionary" product.

I wonder just how many bmcc defectors jumped on the discounted scarlets this week, I personally know of a few, which is crazy.

Nothing has changed since the beginning, when the camreas roll out, they roll out.
Plenty of folks will run like rabid dogs to get their black MAGICAL sin-ema camera whenever the time comes, now or November 2013...some people are even still asking RED where the 3k for $3k Scarlet is???

Personally I'm a bit deflated after playing with the camera in the flesh... all of the shortcomings are multiplied by 10 and the ONLY saving grace is the RAW, but is that enough? :S ...

But yes. The camera has major shortcomings and CVP were very honest about them, but didn't we all know this already?

Please specify the major shortcomings so I can be sure that I know about them.

For BMD to avoid a full-scale customer & dealer revolt, BMD needs to give more specific quantitative info about BMCC testing, manufacturing, & shipping in their "update" this week (in the next 24 hrs. or so), and in the following weeks.

So...
You speak for every customer and dealer now?
If BMCC doesnt update YOU every week, there will be a "full-scale revolt "

My daily , courtesy of the BM Forums!

I know its hard pill to swallow, waiting since April, for a end of August shipment, that has turned it to, maybe, soon, we're testing, dont call us- we'll call you....but!
you arent getting what you paid for (the camera), how/why do you expect to get something you didnt pay for (BMCC communication)?!?

BM botched this, but its ok, it happens frequently enough in this industry when a company tries to overdeliver a so called "revolutionary" product.

I wonder just how many bmcc defectors jumped on the discounted scarlets this week, I personally know of a few, which is crazy.

Nothing has changed since the beginning, when the camreas roll out, they roll out.
Plenty of folks will run like rabid dogs to get their black MAGICAL sin-ema camera whenever the time comes, now or November 2013...some people are even still asking RED where the 3k for $3k Scarlet is???

TL;DR....waiiiiiit....Discounted Scarlets?

TL;DR....waiiiiiit....Discounted Scarlets?

If you hadn't already seen it, refer to the "Recon" section on RedUser dot net, and the thread titled "Scarlet Deal of a Lifetime".

That deal is now over, however.

I want to know were is the original source that BMD is focussing on fulfilling all EF pre-orders before starting production on MFT? I heard this being mentioned a few times but when questioned no answers were forth comming. Is this heresay or wishful thinking from those who did not switch to MFT?

Also some on here and another forum have already started banging the drums for BMD because a single person recieved his BMC in Singapore. For all we know this could be a spare or a recycled unit from an earlier demo run. Production doesnt involve just cranking out one camera at a time. That is not cost effective way of manufacture.

I would hold judgement until units start appearing in credible quantities

I want to know were is the original source that BMD is focussing on fulfilling all EF pre-orders before starting production on MFT? I heard this being mentioned a few times but when questioned no answers were forth comming. Is this heresay or wishful thinking from those who did not switch to MFT? ...

You mean, aside from logic? You are the one who keeps insisting that it's somehow logical for BMD to ship the BMCC-MFT model before the BMCC-EF model. This makes no sense to me.

BMD announced the BMCC-EF many months before the BMCC-MFT model. It's logical that they will ship a significant number of BMCC-EF cams (to at least partially address the backlog of orders for them), before they begin shipping BMCC-MFT cams in large numbers.

It's also logical to me that at some later point BMD will manufacture & ship both models concurrently.

You are welcome to wish for a different scenario, but the above seems most likely to me.

Having said the above, I'll be the first to say that to the best of my knowledge BMD (e.g.: Grant Petty) has not announced a production schedule concerning EF vs. MFT, other than MFT "available in Dec. 2012". Clearly anything is possible, and given how crazy things have gone so far, I don't have a strong faith that logic will prevail.

Meanwhile, if people who pre-ordered EF cams before the MFT cam was announced receive their EF cams after MFT cams start to ship, the people who ordered EF cams will have very good reason to be furious with BMD.

... Also some on here and another forum have already started banging the drums for BMD because a single person recieved his BMC in Singapore. For all we know this could be a spare or a recycled unit from an earlier demo run. Production doesnt involve just cranking out one camera at a time. That is not cost effective way of manufacture. I would hold judgement until units start appearing in credible quantities

The owner of that 1 cam in Singapore posted about it here on BMD's forum first:
viewtopic.php?p=10127&sid=d26c25657814ed39076f4826292dfe12#p10127

And yes, I agree, 1 cam popping up in Singapore probably doesn't "mean" much of anything, other than there's a very lucky person in Singapore. 1 or a few cams isn't "shipping", not really. I agree.

Cheers.

The owner of that 1 cam in Singapore posted about it here on BMD's forum first:
viewtopic.php?p=10127&sid=d26c25657814ed39076f4826292dfe12#p10127

And yes, I agree, 1 cam popping up in Singapore probably doesn't "mean" much of anything, other than there's a very lucky person in Singapore

i feel like i've won the Big Red 1, or something (oz lotto, not Red One camera ). i can't believe no one else has received their BMCC this week.

...but is it a trickle?

At least we get an announcement tomorrow (if Grant is good for his word) that might clear things up a bit.

...but is it a trickle?

At least we get an announcement tomorrow (if Grant is good for his word) that might clear things up a bit.

Trickle... you're not allowed using that word here either...