Getting sound from mixer to ATEM

We have a Behringer X AIR XR18 which is tablet controlled.
https://musiccritic.com/equipment/studi ... tal-mixer/

We ran audio TRS AUX cable to the ATEM.
We tried connecting to the Speaker output.
We tried connecting to the Headset output.
We tried both settings on the ATEM mic input.

All we got was a loud Hmmmm!

How do I get it to work?

The music portion of our Church Service would be better though the Sound Board.
The Sermon is better heard though my Sennheiser MKE6000 or a wireless lapel mic.

[Gary Adams]

I don't have direct experience with this mixer but from the specifications, connecting the Main Left and Right XLR outputs of the XR18 to the TRS inputs on the ATEM using a proper XLR to TRS cable, has the correct balanced +4 dB signal required for the ATEM. Using these connections, you should not get hum both being balanced and seemingly the correct outputs. I hope this helps.

Regards, Gary

I don't have direct experience with this mixer but from the specifications, connecting the Main Left and Right XLR outputs of the XR18 to the TRS inputs on the ATEM using a proper XLR to TRS cable, has the correct balanced +4 dB signal required for the ATEM. Using these connections, you should not get hum both being balanced and seemingly the correct outputs. I hope this helps.

Regards, Gary

Thanks Gary,
Do I use line or mic setting on the TRS input on my ATEM mini Extreme?

lower MASTER fader on XR18 to send to ATEM MINI trs .. -10 dB ? or -20 dB ..

[Gary Adams]

Ok. Roman points out that I may have misunderstood which ATEM you are connecting. Please give me the model ATEM. I was thinking out Constellation with 1/4 TRS but if it s the Mini as Roman suggests then ignore my comment. You will need to convert balanced to unbalanced and drop the level as Roman suggests. I apologize if I was incorrect about the switcher model.

Gary

I am using an ATEM mini Extreme in the Sanctuary.
The main Left and Right mains are being used for other stuff so I will not have exclusive control.
I will be using splitters and converting two XLRs to single 1/4 TRS stereo at the X AIR 18.
The cable is 1/8 TRS at the ATEM connection.

Will I need to convert the Balance or unBalanced condition? How?

You will need something like the StageBug SB6 from Radial Engineering. There are many manufacturers that make products like this.

You will need to feed the AUX outputs from the XR18 to the inputs of the StageBug with two balanced XLR to TRS cables (link). Then from the outputs of the StageBug with one unbalanced cable with two TS jacks to one stereo mini-jack (link).

These StageBugs are not cheap and it sounds like I would need two.
I there a less expensive solution? I could not find anything else.

I ordered their 2 channel version for $150. It will be worth it, if it works.

The correct physical adapter would work but you'd still get all of the hum as well. The primary function of the box is to decouple grounds and provide common mode rejection. Using the transformer will result in a much cleaner signal. The transformer will provide the most benefit when plugged in on the Atem side of the run.

Good Luck

I am using an ATEM mini Extreme in the Sanctuary.
The main Left and Right mains are being used for other stuff so I will not have exclusive control.
I will be using splitters and converting two XLRs to single 1/4 TRS stereo at the X AIR 18.

do you have any AUXes free ? for example 5-6 ? use it as subgroup of main mix .. Insert to it Precision limiter .. And set ouput to -10 or -20 dB ..

Will I need to convert the Balance or unBalanced condition? How?

Im using this one :
MIXPULT into XLRs inputs of DTI, and 2x CINCH to 1/8 TRS cable to output of DTI

https://www.thomann.de/intl/art_dti.htm

What does 2x CINCH mean?

Hmmm, I don't seem to be having much luck so far.
I put a hum reducer on the soundboard a now get a reduced hum but no music.
If I change the mic port on the ATEM to Line, I don't get any sound at all.

I ordered 3 different units and only tried one so far on the two available AUX ports of the X AIR.
I will be trying the DTI next.
DTI was much louder than Pyle PHE 400

The StageBug SB6 is supposed to be here tomorrow
as is the PYLE PD22 which has a 0/20/40 switch on it.

What does 2x CINCH mean?

Hmmm, I don't seem to be having much luck so far.
I put a hum reducer on the soundboard a now get a reduced hum but no music.
If I change the mic port on the ATEM to Line, I don't get any sound at all.

I ordered 3 different units and only tried one so far on the two available AUX ports of the X AIR.
I will be trying the DTI next.
DTI was much louder than Pyle PHE 400

The StageBug SB6 is supposed to be here tomorrow
as is the PYLE PD22 which has a 0/20/40 switch on it.

The Stagebug SB6 is a stereo unit, so you will not need two. BTW, the ATEM Mini Extreme audio inputs are both Stereo inputs.

2x XLR Female to 1/4" TRS Male Cable (these go from your XAir aux outputs to the StageBug SB6)
1x 3.5mm TRS to Dual 1/4" TS (1.5' or less to minimize noise) (This combines your left and right into one stereo 3.5mm jack)

Thursday, I will be trying the Behringer Power Play 16.
It is a mini mixer that gets it's feed and power from the Ultranet distributor
that is connected to the Behringer X AIR=16.

I will be using the two mono 1/4 jacks from the P16 converted to 1/8 TRS stereo plugged into the ATEM mic jack.
If it works, I should be able to adjust the individual sounds from instruments and vocalists.
I can monitor the cumulative results to my LiveStream broadcast from the ATEM.
This will require separate headsets for the P16 mini mixer and ATEM mini Extreme

Thursday, I will be trying the Behringer Power Play 16.
It is a mini mixer that gets it's feed and power from the Ultranet distributor
that is connected to the Behringer X AIR=16.

I will be using the two mono 1/4 jacks from the P16 converted to 1/8 TRS stereo plugged into the ATEM mic jack.
If it works, I should be able to adjust the individual sounds from instruments and vocalists.
I can monitor the cumulative results to my LiveStream broadcast from the ATEM.
This will require separate headsets for the P16 mini mixer and ATEM mini Extreme

The quality of the audio from the P16s is not good, IMO. Do any of the cameras you use have XLR inputs? It might be worth a try, too. Some cameras also have 3.5mm stereo inputs, but I think the quality wouldn't be better than injecting audio into the ATEM. This is assuming the aforementioned StageBug solution doesn't work.

What does 2x CINCH mean?

CINCH is sometimes used to describe to RCA Phono connectors. (These connectors are often described as RCAs, Phonos, Cinches etc.)

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The quality of the audio from the P16s is not good, IMO. Do any of the cameras you use have XLR inputs? It might be worth a try, too. Some cameras also have 3.5mm stereo inputs, but I think the quality wouldn't be better than injecting audio into the ATEM. This is assuming the aforementioned StageBug solution doesn't work.[/quote]

I have two BlackMagic 4k cinema Pocket cameras with powered mini XLR inputs.
I would have to run a XLR cable either to the camera from the sound room or a fiber optic HDMI cable from a remote controlled camera in the sound room to my station near the Podium.

Is XLR capable of Stereo throughput?
The Sennheister MKE 600 is mono that I am using with the cameras and all the outputs on the Behringer X AIR-16 are mono too.

I will find out about the P16m tonight.

I have two BlackMagic 4k cinema Pocket cameras with powered mini XLR inputs.
I would have to run a XLR cable either to the camera from the sound room or a fiber optic HDMI cable from a remote controlled camera in the sound room to my station near the Podium.

Is XLR capable of Stereo throughput?
The Sennheister MKE 600 is mono that I am using with the cameras and all the outputs on the Behringer X AIR-16 are mono too.

I will find out about the P16m tonight.

The camera's audio input is a single channel, so it would be mono. That may not be a bad thing, as mixing in stereo can be complicated, especially if you don't have a separate mix engineer/volunteer to run the live stream mix, instead of a FOH person running both. I'm not sure where you have the Air unit, but I'd guess it's located on the stage. If you can run an XLR from the Xair unit to a camera with less than 100' of cable, that's not a terrible solution, considering your alternatives. If you do decide to do this, be absolutely certain that you can turn off phantom power at the camera, as that could possibly destroy your aux output at your Xair. Oh and make sure you tape the cable so that the weight of the cable isn't on the audio input port, as that would be a not-so-fun way to find your camera's audio jack destroyed one lovely day.

For this solution, you would just need a long XLR cable and this adapter or one similar:
(Male Mini XLR to Female XLR)
https://www.amazon.com/KONDOR-BLUE-BLACKMAGIC-Adapter-Microphones/dp/B07JLGTJ3J/

The BlackMagic pocket cinema camera send stereo over HDMI.
Is XLM cable capable of stereo or only mono?

It will probably be Sunday before I can test the Behringer (personal sound board) and it's output.
No matter how I set up the X AIR, it gives me either nothing or a loud hum.
I have tested and returned 5 hum eliminators.

The BlackMagic pocket cinema camera send stereo over HDMI.
Is XLM cable capable of stereo or only mono?

It will probably be Sunday before I can test the Behringer (personal sound board) and it's output.
No matter how I set up the X AIR, it gives me either nothing or a loud hum.
I have tested and returned 5 hum eliminators.

I have a feeling that your hum is probably a ground loop, resulting from you connecting some PC or mac to the switcher via HDMI and also to your mixer.

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Is this the case for your setup?

The BlackMagic pocket cinema camera send stereo over HDMI.
Is XLM cable capable of stereo or only mono?

It will probably be Sunday before I can test the Behringer (personal sound board) and it's output.
No matter how I set up the X AIR, it gives me either nothing or a loud hum.
I have tested and returned 5 hum eliminators.

I have a feeling that your hum is probably a ground loop, resulting from you connecting some PC or mac to the switcher via HDMI and also to your mixer.

Ground Loop_small.png

Is this the case for your setup?

NO, the sound man carries around a tablet to control the X AIR-16

NO, the sound man carries around a tablet to control the X AIR-16

This isn't for control; it would be for something like ProPresenter for churches. Basically a CG and media playout PC.

You could try disconnecting all your HDMI inputs and only connecting the audio from the XAir to see if there's a ground loop via HDMI.

The Behringer P16m is a dream come true.
The sound man fiddled with it for 20 minutes and even tried a 2nd unit and then going back to the first before getting anything out of it except a very low buzz.

Then it came to life!

I can control 16 individual channels, adjusting the sound on each (Volume-Base-Mid_Treble), putting them anywhere on a Stereo band and then saving all the settings. My unit does not effect any other nor the output from the X AIR

This is fun!

We will hear the results for the music portion of the Service on YouTube and FaceBook Sunday.
I will continue to capture the Sermon with my Sennheiser MKE600

The choir are still not happy with the sound that is produced thru FaceBook

If I run XLM cable from the mixer to the ATEM, what adapter is needed?

What do they not like? What's their complaint? Do you have a link where we can listen to the audio?

You don't need the Behringer P16m. You can create a separate mix on the Behringer XR18 on it's AUX outputs if you really want. For the sake of simplicity I would just output your main LEFT and RIGHT on AUX 5 and 6 and use that for your stream. If everything is connected and set up properly you should have proper sound.

I already have a 3.5mm TRS Auxiliary Audio Cable from the Behringer XR18 to my ATEM mini Extreme.
How do I get good balanced sound instead of a loud hummm?
Do I have to run two XLR cables or is there a converter I can put at the mixer end?

What if I only run one TRS cable from one Aux port on the XR16?
Would using an XLR cable be better when I have to adapt to the 3.5 mic input on the ATEM?
Our sound man says both speaker outputs are set up to give the same Mono sound, therefor is it safe to say all AUX out ports do the same?

Which mic input is better to use on the ATEM?
Do I need to use powered or not?
I am going to the Church this morning to try different configurations.

Thanks, Roger

Roger!
U need to select line input in ATEM .. and no power (only mic have power) ..

"The Choir doesn't like how they sound" doesn't sound like a technical problem. My guess is that the mic technique for live PA vs stream isn't quite the same. The stream/record mix probably just needs a little reverb or a room mic mixed back in for some room tone/body.

Good Luck

Yes I allways add an room mics and like when audio in stream (or record) sounds simmilar to audio in venue ..

I already have a 3.5mm TRS Auxiliary Audio Cable from the Behringer XR18 to my ATEM mini Extreme.
How do I get good balanced sound instead of a loud hummm?
Do I have to run two XLR cables or is there a converter I can put at the mixer end?

As I've said before, you need a device (like the Stagebug SB-6) than can adapt from balanced audio to unbalanced audio. This also isolates the devices and will prevent the humm. You only need one as it's a stereo device. But there are also cheaper alternatives like the ART DTI that Roman suggested. You will need to put this close to your ATEM, so the length of the unbalanced audio cable between the line isolator and the ATEM should be as short as possible (e.g. 1 meter). The length of the two balanced audio connection between the Behringer outputs and the line isolator can be longer as it's balanced so it's less susceptible to noise and interference.

What if I only run one TRS cable from one Aux port on the XR16?
Would using an XLR cable be better when I have to adapt to the 3.5 mic input on the ATEM?

You should NOT directly connect the ATEM to the Behringer XR18. Under no circumstance. That's the cause of the humm.

Our sound man says both speaker outputs are set up to give the same Mono sound, therefor is it safe to say all AUX out ports do the same?

Regardless of what outputs you use, you MUST use a line isolator. The choice of which outputs to use depends very much on how you create you mix, e.g. if you create a separate mix for the stream and a separate mix for the room. For simplicity I would first concentrate on only one mix for both the room and for the stream.

Which mic input is better to use on the ATEM?

If your ATEM has to multiple inputs it doesn't matter which one you use. However it is important that you set the inputs to LINE level audio. If the audio level from the mixer is too hot/loud you can sometimes activate an attenuation on the line isolator (like on the SB-6) or lower the output on the mixer. There is also the gain on the ATEM but if the level from the mixer it too loud it can cause distortion on the ATEM. So better leave the gain at the ATEM on 0 dB and decrease the output on the AUX outputs of the Behringer mixer.

I tried a Pyle Compact Mini Hum Eliminator Box - 2 Channel Passive Ground Loop Isolator, Noise Filter,AC Buzz Destroyer, Hum Killer w/ 1/4" TRS Phone,XLR Input/Output, Uses 1:1 Isolation Transformer in the past with NO JOY. Perhaps I should try it again or a different one? I have not tried it with the personal Behringer mini mixer that also has a small amount of noise.

The line in on the ATEM mini Extreme does eliminate the noise but also the sound.

Can you provide a link to a recording with the issue?

I think you should get a proper sound guy that can help you analyze the issues. Maybe you are not using the correct cables or not connecting it correctly. Or levels are incorrect. It's really not that hard to get this set up properly.

Maybe there is somebody from this forum in your neighborhood that is willing to help.

It is the music, especially choir that is bad. I use the Behringer personal M16 and yes there is lots of tweaking that can be done.I will be putting a hum eliminator between it and the ATEM today.

It is not any better with the Sennheiser MKE600 mic although the Sermon and Bible Study are fine. I have tried lots of other mics too and among those, the non directional MKE200 is the best for the group.

links:

https://www.youtube.com/@rogermartin1984/streams

https://www.facebook.com/gccprundale/

I listened to the latest track. Technically it’s fine, I didn’t hear any buzz, noise, or phasing issues, but the mix is all over the place. Too much guitar, too little, suddenly all one guy, weak pastor levels. Are you monitoring/mixing using headphones?

Either figure out the mix on your end or get the FOH mix. Since your existing audio setup is clean I’d try to get the mix sent through the existing infrastructure (soft patch or re-entry) rather than go back to square one sorting system/system isolation issues over xlr/trs.

Good Luck