Will PXYIS replace BMCC6K?

I was wondering if Blackmagic would keep the BMCC6K in production once PYXIS is finally released. I know that no one has a crystal ball, but what does anyone else think?

The BMCC6K was a natural choice to launch the full-frame sensor in an existing body. But with not a lot of price difference or differences in the specification, there might not be an incentive to keep going with the BMCC6K.

Personally, I hope they do.

Do you think they got rid of the French press when espresso machines became popular? Or that motor bikes have completely replaced pedal bikes? Cellphones and desktops still coexist too.

Just because the BMCC6K and the Pyxis share some DNA doesn’t mean that they’re interchangeable, and I’m not really sure where the suggestion came from that the Pyxis was meant to replace the BMCC6K. They’re designed for completely different use cases, and the messaging from BMD has consistently been that they’re going to continue to be sold in parallel product lines.

I was wondering if Blackmagic would keep the BMCC6K in production once PYXIS is finally released. I know that no one has a crystal ball, but what does anyone else think?

The BMCC6K was a natural choice to launch the full-frame sensor in an existing body. But with not a lot of price difference or differences in the specification, there might not be an incentive to keep going with the BMCC6K. Personally, I hope they do.

I'll be shocked if Blackmagic discontinues the Cinema Camera 6K anytime soon. Unless the new PYXIS model is somehow vastly more profitable by comparison, or the CC6K suddenly becomes unprofitable, what incentive does BMD have to drop the CC6K anytime soon?

That's not to say BMD will never stop selling the CC6K -- nothing lasts forever -- but as long as the CC6K remains profitable for them, I'd expect BMD to keep selling it. For example, look how long they've been selling the Pocket 4K camera. It's always been a great value, and until parts for it are no longer available to build them profitably, I'd expect them to keep offering it.

Now, as technology allows, Blackmagic will do what they've long done: Design new cameras that offer great value, with a variety of feature sets, and at several different price points.

Meanwhile, when comparing camera costs and value, don't forget to include the cost of configuring the camera to meet your typical use case. For example, for some users, the CC6K's high-brightness built-in TILT screen is the only monitor they'll need, but if they want to add an EVF, the one offered by BMD for the CC6K is less than 1/3 the price of their PYXIS EVF. And the CC6K includes two XLR audio inputs vs. one on the PYXIS. On the other hand, the PYXIS has a 4K-capable SDI output, but the CC6K's HDMI output is only capable of 1080p. There are MANY other differences, each more or less important to every user and production.

For me personally, if I was offered for FREE a CC6K or a PYXIS, I'd probably go with the CC6K, because it's a better match for how I use a camera, and what I want built-in. But that's just me. Everyone needs something different. Cheers.

For years there have been a few posters on this forum that have asked for a box format camera. In spite of this the DSLR form has been very successful

The Panasonic Lumix BS1H is the box form of the S1H. Did it replace anything? Does anyone remember it?

I doubt it. They serve different purposes while using the same sensor. So they can compliment each other in a shoot.

The PYXIS certainly has features more appealing to me over the Pocket design of the BMCC6K. SDI Output over HDMI is one of those features, plus the dedicated Timecode SDI. We did a Live Stream shoot the other week and my UMP was preferred due to SDI having a secure connection over HDMI becoming loose on the Pockets. Honestly I can't wait for HDMI on cameras to die a slow death in favor of SDI.

Either way, the BMCC6K will still have sales for the way it can be used in comparison to the PYXIS. They can be used together.

I agree that the two cameras share a sensor (at least for now), but each will have its adherents for the reasons mentioned.

Another question for another time: Will the Pyxis Pro (or whatever BMD calls the next generation Pyxis) replace the Pyxis 2024. The two models may be different enough to have two lines of the Pyxis just as the 6K Pocket cameras do.

I agree that the two cameras share a sensor (at least for now), but each will have its adherents for the reasons mentioned.

Another question for another time: Will the Pyxis Pro (or whatever BMD calls the next generation Pyxis) replace the Pyxis 2024. The two models may be different enough to have two lines of the Pyxis just as the 6K Pocket cameras do.

There's plenty of room in the product line between the current PYXIS and the new URSA Cine 12K. A hypothetical "PYXIS Pro" could be slotted somewhere in there. It's easy to speculate about possible features for such as model. As always, when parts become available at profitable price points, and when BMD's internal "bandwidth" allows, I'm sure it'll happen.

Oh, and I expect many "PYXIS Pro" features could also appear in a hypothetical new version of the URSA Broadcast G2. Different camera body styles sharing similar features. Has happened many times before.

Nah… two different camera with two different market.
They share only the same sensor but they will have different buyer.
Dslr body style had their fans, like shoulder cam, like box cam.
Blackmagic Design did a same Os cam that allow they to develop easily the software, and develop body under request of different users and different use.


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Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

On reflection, as you have pointed out above, Blackmagic does seem to keep making older models, even if that does make their range a little confusing and overfilled at times (I am thinking of the three 6K models with the Pocket body (even though the full frame drops the Pocket name)).

I am in the process of selling some gear to fund a BMCC 6K to add to my existing cameras, so hopefully it will be around a while yet.

slightly off topic, but I've been pondering my next camera. I'm planning on the Pyxis, but now, when I look at the Komodo OG, people are selling kits for around the cost of a rigged up Pyxis.

It's like a $500 difference, for how I'd go with it. Crazy times right now.

For years there have been a few posters on this forum that have asked for a box format camera. In spite of this the DSLR form has been very successful.

I was one of those people. Yet, during the pandemic, my mode of travel photography changed and I bought a Sony A7RIV and got acclimated to that form factor. When the Pyxis was announced, my concern was that it was bigger than the BS1H or Komodo. So I went to ye olde brick and mortar store and handled the CC6K and that...changed my mind. More about the handling than the size. The sale sealed the deal. As I've been using it handheld a lot, I'm pretty happy with the form factor. My quibbles being a real TC port and mount choice, but whatever. I can't see why BM would discontinue it. It's very usable stripped down and built up. I like that it looks like every other person with a digital camera when out on the street. Since I traffic in areas that would be characterized as iffy.

slightly off topic, but I've been pondering my next camera. I'm planning on the Pyxis, but now, when I look at the Komodo OG, people are selling kits for around the cost of a rigged up Pyxis.

It's like a $500 difference, for how I'd go with it. Crazy times right now.

What would be the main reasons for you to go for a Komodo versus a Pyxis? In what way do you consider that an upgrade for you? Honestly just curious.

slightly off topic, but I've been pondering my next camera. I'm planning on the Pyxis, but now, when I look at the Komodo OG, people are selling kits for around the cost of a rigged up Pyxis.

It's like a $500 difference, for how I'd go with it. Crazy times right now.

What would be the main reasons for you to go for a Komodo versus a Pyxis? In what way do you consider that an upgrade for you? Honestly just curious.

I like to do pros and cons, but the Pyxis is still my first choice.
Komodo has better Dynamic Range, Global Shutter, more lens options (more popular lens mount)
BOTH have: smaller mounted screen, take BP-U Batteries, lack of NDs, single SDI connection
Pyxis has: Full Frame 3:2, better OS, faster boot times, better audio inputs, better/cheaper media

When it comes down to image quality alone, I think the Komodo has a slight edge. That is usually my reason for a camera purchase, but the ways I'll be utilizing the Pyxis is in controlled environments where the DR and GS aren't much of an issue. And I've been doing a lot less handheld recently. THOUGH, I would say, I did shoot some handheld with a rigged up 6k FF on open gate and I didn't notice anything distracting in the rolling shutter.

After working on a feature film last year where we shot on the RED Komodo-X I will say that it has incredible image quality. The image quality is a step up from the Komodo, which is definitely better than the Pocket 6K sensor to begin with. Since the 6K Full Frame sensor is very similar to the Pocket APS-C 6K sensor that means the Komodo has an edge.

One of things I never liked about the Komodo was its form factor, the top screen for camera control, and the fact that it really needed to be rigged out. The Komodo X made marginal improvements there. But the image quality improvements were definitely the selling point.

I think Blackmagic has hit the right mark with their 12K VistaVision Sensor. Sadly it's in the more expensive URSA Cine body only, but that may change in the future as maybe it can go into a smaller version of the URSA Cine. But I do prefer the build of the URSA Cine and URSA Mini Pro over the Komodos only because you don't have to rig it up as much nor add an expansion to the back to get some I/O Ports. Yet the Komodo has the edge on size and weight to a degree.

The PYXIS is definitely the first step in a new body design for the smaller and more compact cameras. I think Blackmagic is hearing our insights and requests. So the next model will definitely implement them. I think they have heard these in the past as evidenced with the URSA Mini to the URSA Mini Pro. And, they are hearing our same input regarding the URSA Cine. So, let's see where everything goes. The future is bright for Blackmagic Design.

After working on a feature film last year where we shot on the RED Komodo-X I will say that it has incredible image quality. The image quality is a step up from the Komodo...

Now, Tom, this is what I’m hoping you’ll be able to say about the Pyxis Pro in a year or two:
“After working on a feature film this year where we shot on the BMD Pyxis Pro I will say that it has incredible image quality. The image quality is a step up from the Pyxis…”

After working on a feature film last year where we shot on the RED Komodo-X I will say that it has incredible image quality. The image quality is a step up from the Komodo...

Now, Tom, this is what I’m hoping you’ll be able to say about the Pyxis Pro in a year or two:
“After working on a feature film this year where we shot on the BMD Pyxis Pro I will say that it has incredible image quality. The image quality is a step up from the Pyxis…”

Possibly. But I'd rather shoot a feature in the next year on the URSA Cine 12K... or even better the URSA Cine 17K! Oh, how I want to shoot 65mm sensor size with Super Panavision 70! Excuse me as now I need to go watch Lawrence of Arabia for inspiration.

After working on a feature film last year where we shot on the RED Komodo-X I will say that it has incredible image quality. The image quality is a step up from the Komodo, which is definitely better than the Pocket 6K sensor to begin with. Since the 6K Full Frame sensor is very similar to the Pocket APS-C 6K sensor that means the Komodo has an edge.

One of things I never liked about the Komodo was its form factor, the top screen for camera control, and the fact that it really needed to be rigged out. The Komodo X made marginal improvements there. But the image quality improvements were definitely the selling point.

RED just dropped the price of both the Komodo ($5000) and Komodo X ($7000).
Used Komodos will most likely start to go at $3500-ish.
The Komodo X seems very alluring now... I think it's the global shutter and dynamic range.

Though BMD has a properly-priced, spaced-out line up:
$15000 - URSA Cine
(note there is a gap here for around $10k for a URSA Cine LT???)
$6400 - Ursa Mini 12k OLPF (used for around $5000)
$3000 - Pyxis
$1600 - CC6KFF (sale)
-all full frame!

After working on a feature film last year where we shot on the RED Komodo-X I will say that it has incredible image quality. The image quality is a step up from the Komodo, which is definitely better than the Pocket 6K sensor to begin with. Since the 6K Full Frame sensor is very similar to the Pocket APS-C 6K sensor that means the Komodo has an edge.

One of things I never liked about the Komodo was its form factor, the top screen for camera control, and the fact that it really needed to be rigged out. The Komodo X made marginal improvements there. But the image quality improvements were definitely the selling point.

RED just dropped the price of both the Komodo ($5000) and Komodo X ($7000).
Used Komodos will most likely start to go at $3500-ish.
The Komodo X seems very alluring now... I think it's the global shutter and dynamic range.

Though BMD has a properly-priced, spaced-out line up:
$15000 - URSA Cine
(note there is a gap here for around $10k for a URSA Cine LT???)
$6400 - Ursa Mini 12k OLPF (used for around $5000)
$3000 - Pyxis
$1600 - CC6KFF (sale)
-all full frame!

I saw those price drops. Pretty nice. But makes me wonder what Nikon is cooking up?


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I can't imagine Nikon/RED could turn a new design/camera out that quickly, right?
either way, I think it's interesting. There's never been a more feasible time to be in the biz, I think

I can't imagine Nikon/RED could turn a new design/camera out that quickly, right?
either way, I think it's interesting. There's never been a more feasible time to be in the biz, I think

Well, affordable gear. But Box Office is not performing too well at the moment. This summer movie season was down a significant amount despite two major films making over a billion each.

To make the Pyxis useable. new EVF, screen, etc, it will be close to $5k.
If anything I think Pyxis is more likely to fail than the Pocket 6K.

To make the Pyxis useable. new EVF, screen, etc, it will be close to $5k.
If anything I think Pyxis is more likely to fail than the Pocket 6K.

Yet, rigging out a Red Komodo or Komodo X to make it useable will also increase the price. Going with the Komodo X, you instantly have to spend an additional $1K on the expansion unit for more I/O like timecode and genlock. RED EVF and external monitors add up the same as they do with the PYXIS. So you're still going to spend over $10K on the Komodo X. Thus the PYXIS is still a great price.

To make the Pyxis useable. new EVF, screen, etc, it will be close to $5k.
If anything I think Pyxis is more likely to fail than the Pocket 6K.

Yet, rigging out a Red Komodo or Komodo X to make it useable will also increase the price. Going with the Komodo X, you instantly have to spend an additional $1K on the expansion unit for more I/O like timecode and genlock. RED EVF and external monitors add up the same as they do with the PYXIS. So you're still going to spend over $10K on the Komodo X. Thus the PYXIS is still a great price.

The price of Komodo is coming down. If FF is not absolute requirement and you already have a screen the money will be on them instead of the Pxyis.

The price of Komodo is coming down. If FF is not absolute requirement and you already have a screen the money will be on them instead of the Pxyis.

Komodo body is still $5,000. If anything I think the Ursa might be affected with the Komodo-X coming down to $7,000 for the body. However, that is body only. You still need a lot of accessories to start shooting. You can find Pocket 6K FF under $2,000. Blackmagic was selling them for under $2,000 at one point. This is an unbelievable and unmatched value, so much so that I don't think these new kids even appreciate it. They didn't have to download Magic Lantern and risk bricking their camera for image quality. It's just there... Comparable to a $100,000 camera. They give them away in the used market. So many I see "Used only once, practically brand new, been sitting for a year..." That's how easy it is to get one.

You won't find a Pyxis for a while unless you put in a pre-order.

The price of Komodo is coming down. If FF is not absolute requirement and you already have a screen the money will be on them instead of the Pxyis.

Komodo body is still $5000. If anything I think the Ursa might be affected with the Komodo-X coming down to $7,000 for the body. However, that is body only. You still need a lot of accessories to start shooting.

If you will be shooting low budget films, then you should compare the media costs. The recommended media for the Komodo is this:

RED DIGITAL CINEMA 512GB RED PRO CFast 2.0 Memory Card $449.99 USD

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... emory.html

The recommended media for the Komodo X is this:
RED PRO CFEXPRESS 1TB $299.99

https://www.red.com/red-pro-cfexpress?quantity=1&size=4

For high complexity scenes, VFX, and stills from motion workflows, RED recommends the HQ setting:

Komodo Super 35 6K 17:9 6144 x 3240 REDCODE HQ 30 fps 350 MB/s
This is ((3600x350) = (1,260,000/1,000,000)x$899.98) $1,133.97 USD per hour!

The cost for the bare camera to shoot 5 hours is (2995+(1133.97x5)) $8664.85 USD

Komodo X Super 35 6K DCI 17:9 6144 x 3240 REDCODE HQ 30 fps 300 MB/s
((3600x300) = (1080000/1,000,000)x$299.99) $323.99 USD per hour.

The cost for the bare camera to shoot 5 hours is (6995+(323.99x5)) $8614.95 USD

Pyxis 6K DCI 17:9 6048 x 3200 30 fps BRAW 3.1 constant bitrate 294 MB/s 56.7 min./TB
((3600x294) = (1058400/1,000,000)x$199.99) $211.67 USD per hour

Pyxis 6K DCI 17:9 6048 x 3200 30 fps BRAW 8.1 constant bitrate 110 MB/s 2.5 hrs./TB
((3600x110) = (396000/1,000,000)x$199.99) $79.20 USD per hour

Pyxis 4K DCI 17:9 4096 x 2160 30 fps BRAW 3.1 constant bitrate 135 MB/s 2.1 hrs./TB
((3600x135) = (486000/1,000,000)x$199.99) $97.20 USD per hour

Pyxis 4K DCI 17:9 4096 x 2160 30 fps BRAW 8.1 constant bitrate 50.9 MB/s 5.5 hrs./TB
((3600x50.9) = (183240/1,000,000)x$199.99) $36.65 USD per hour

With Blackmagic cameras you could also record to an SSD for about ⅓ the CFExpress price.

Blackmagicraw Data Rate Calculator

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... calculator

BH Photo Video - Angelbird 1TB AV PRO CFexpress 2.0 Type B SE Memory Card $199.99

I would'nt rely on SSD. I read that the Angelbird CFexpress card works fine with Komodo X.
https://support.red.com/hc/en-us/articles/25247266698899-KOMODO-X-Compatible-CFexpress-Media
They already aggressively priced before the price cut and I'm looking at The Komodo X as a potential replacement for my UMP G2 and BMPCC Pro 6K and BMPCC4K killing 3 birds with one stone. Its things like IQ, Global Shutter, form factor and even AF tracking (its not Canon or Sony AF but enough to get me around for run and gun).

Komodo’s one good trick is global shutter.

I haven’t used X and it’s meant to be better but I was underwhelmed by OG Komodo. Really only usable at 400 ISO was the main problem for me. I was struggling using them alongside DXL2

JB

I have been anticipating the Pyxis for a while now. I even have everything ready to go, including mounting and support. But just for kicks, I decided to rig up my 6k FF with pretty much everything I would naturally do with the Pyxis.

- PL to L Mount adapter
- Cage (top plate for the Pyxis)
- a Lens (SLR Magic 32mm APO Microprime)
- Top Handle
- Top Rails
- Bottom Rails
- V Mount Plate + V Mount Battery
- Wireless TX
- Monitor
- DJI Lidar setup
- Matte Box

This all weighed in at 15 lbs or 6.8 kg.
The difference in weight of the a Pyxis body (plus a top plate) is only 0.2 lbs or 0.9 kg.

So I started asking myself, what does the Pyxis offer than the 6kFF doesn't have that I would ever take advantage of?
- SDI Out
- stronger body

I've said before that I hate rigging up pocket-style cameras, and it's true. But if I can save myself $3000 and go through a small hassle every time I build the 6k FF into a cinema rig, I think it's worth it. Once in a cage and rigged up, the size doesn't feel that bad. I never do gimbals, and the DJI Lidar stuff adds a nice side handle.

I think wanting a Pyxis (for me) is just wanting something new and not really needing it. In my small world of production, I'm never really shooting 'big boy toys' or dealing with rental stuff, honestly. I travel a lot and need something ultra compact, and the 6k FF with a simple photo zoom is incredibly easy to pack.

Even though I know the Pyxis will match my 6kFF just fine, I'm also considering getting a better low-light camera for when those moments come up. The BMP6kG2 seems like a winner, though only EF. I wouldn't need a bright screen, just an articulating one, in low light.
I bought the 6k FF on sale, but I kinda want to see how the Pyxis plays with my normal setup that I find myself in 85% of the time: Interview + B Roll.

The Pocket-style bodies have been super handy for low-profile shoots, where I've been in countries that bigger cameras draw attention too quickly.

As much as I would love to use the Ursa Cine, I'm just not in the ballpark of operating budget.
I can see a Pyxis being a great A Cam, the 6k FF being a B Cam, and then taking the 6kFF and P6kG2 traveling when I need to be low-profile and low-light.

I’m in favor of a next generation BMCC6K getting autofocus and a specific stills UI and functionality to make it more of a hybrid. I’d love for Blackmagic to embrace still photography with this form factor. I’d definitely use it for stills if it was better capable in the way most Mirrorless Cameras are. I definitely prefer the Blackmagic color science to Sony or Canon.

Granted, now that they have the 17K 65mm sensor I’d love for them to create true 120 Medium Format size sensor and still camera to go along with their true 15-Perf 70mm IMAX Sensor that they’ll eventually make. Then they can rule the still and motion picture market. Imagine shooting stills with a great Blackmagic Medium Format Camera.

I mean, if they can achieve this they’ll win so many people over. Offering both 135 size Full Frame and 120 size Medium Format still camera and cinema cameras will give them a new form of dominance.

They may want to also release DaVinci Resolve Darkroom for stills editing. Or simply DaVinci Darkroom. There’s a lot of photographers feeling burned by Adobe right now due to the AI mess, and it’s a perfect time for Blackmagic to snag those photographers.


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To make the Pyxis useable. new EVF, screen, etc, it will be close to $5k.
If anything I think Pyxis is more likely to fail than the Pocket 6K.

It depends where you are starting from in your career. I already have an EVF and an external monitor I can use with a PYXIS if I get one. It would just slot into my workflow in place on my OG Pocket 6K or Sony FX3. The only things I would need to buy are some memory cards and a new V-mount cable.

To make the Pyxis useable. new EVF, screen, etc, it will be close to $5k.
If anything I think Pyxis is more likely to fail than the Pocket 6K.

Yet, rigging out a Red Komodo or Komodo X to make it useable will also increase the price. Going with the Komodo X, you instantly have to spend an additional $1K on the expansion unit for more I/O like timecode and genlock. RED EVF and external monitors add up the same as they do with the PYXIS. So you're still going to spend over $10K on the Komodo X. Thus the PYXIS is still a great price.

The price of Komodo is coming down. If FF is not absolute requirement and you already have a screen the money will be on them instead of the Pxyis.

As you say, if you already have a screen my choices are £2500 for a PYXIS or £5-6000 for a Komodo. I don't see the Komodo offering enough to tempt me to pay double at the moment, much as I would love a global shutter.

The Komodo X dropping in price does bring into som consideration about that gap between the Pyxis and the Ursa Cine… which is, I know, the UMP 12k OLPF.
The UMP12k feels a bit dated now, with its media choice and body design, but it still has a ton to love.
I think if I had an option to spend close to $7000, I’d probably go with a K-X for size and media and lens options.

The Komodo X dropping in price does bring into som consideration about that gap between the Pyxis and the Ursa Cine… which is, I know, the UMP 12k OLPF.
The UMP12k feels a bit dated now, with its media choice and body design, but it still has a ton to love.
I think if I had an option to spend close to $7000, I’d probably go with a K-X for size and media and lens options.

Agreed! I think the worst part of the UMP12KOLPF and the older Pockets is the CFast 2.0 Cards for media. They still remain overpriced compared to CFExpress, which has faster write/read speeds and higher capacities while being more affordable than the CFast. I mean, at this point CFast is a decade old media format.

I wouldn't be surprised if in time the URSA Cine 12K and the 17K drop in price like the UMP12K did. I could see it becoming more affordable as the parts and tech is easier for Blackmagic to manufacture. And, imagine if Blackmagic found a way to do Global Shutter for their RGBW sensors. That would make it possible for them to give us even more options, and really narrow the gap between BMD and RED.

Here's a quick test (not scientific) of the two cameras.
They images are labeled what they are and you can be the judge.
Camera settings: 400 and 1250 ISO, T2.8 & T5.6, 1.2 IRND applied
DaVinci Resolve Workflow: Gen5, Highlight Recovery, Gamut Compression, BMD Gen5 CST to Rec709 & CST to ARRI LogC3 + Arri Rec709 LUT


My findings: the 6kFF is JUST (and I mean a tiny amount) a bit warmer, but overall, they feel identical. Which, for me, is a great thing.

6kFF 400, ARRI by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

Pyxis 400, ARRI by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

6kFF 400, Gen5 by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

Pyxis 400, Gen5 by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

6kFF 1250, ARRI by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

Pyxis 1250, ARRI by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

6kFF 1250, Gen5 by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

Pyxis 1250, Gen5 by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

6kFF 400, ARRI 300% Crop by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

Pyxis 400, ARRI 300% Crop by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

6kFF 1250, ARRI 300% Crop by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

Pyxis 1250, ARRI 300% Crop by Adam Langdon, on Flickr

Yes, very close to each other. The ISO 1250 is also quite similar to the ISO 400. Which lenses did you use?

Yes, very close to each other. The ISO 1250 is also quite similar to the ISO 400. Which lenses did you use?

I just used the SLR Magic 32mm APO Microprime in 6k 3:2.

Further observations:

When rigged up with a simple zoom lens, a side handle, a Mini V-Mount, and a 7" monitor, The Pyxis weighs in at approximately 10 lbs.
When utilizing the 6kFF with just body and lens, it's about barely 4.5 lbs.

So to get the same type of functionality (lens + Body + Power + a viewable screen), the Pyxis is double the weight. As an aging dude (I'll be 43 this weekend!) my back will reach for the 6kFF if I need to 'grab a few shots' every time.
The cinematographer in me wants to welcome the extra weight as 'built in stabilization', haha. But really, unless I have support (tripod, easy rig), the Pyxis will fatigue me pretty quickly. And this is coming from a guy that used to film all-day weddings with an Ursa Mini Pro! Maybe I just need to get in better shape....

Holding the pocket-style body of the 6kFF, I find when using a photo zoom lens (as I often do for quick shoots), having my right hand on the grip with REC and APERTURE Control right at my fingertips just feels good, solid. For the Pyxis, as was with the Ursa Mini(s), I need to reposition my left hand to hit RECORD and to make Iris adjustments. I own the DJI Focus Pro, so I can bluetooth-in control with the REC button, but then I'm forced to look over the camera to see the right side display of the LiDAR and... ya know, first world problems. The Focus Pro feels better in the left hand, for some reason, and feels more at home on the 6kFF body than the Pyxis, to me at least.

The CFast Express Type B doors on the Pyxis are more like flaps that feel similar to the side rubbery caps on the Pocket bodies.

I guess what I'm finding out is this: to cobble together a cage and component setup for the Pyxis is very difficult. I have so many different parts to make this body work that I'm spending almost the same amount on a cage system. I am excited about the Pyxis monitor, as that will help with the control of the camera, but I also remember using the Ursa Mini with a 3rd party monitor just fine for YEARS. Why am I such a wimp now?

Perhaps is the fact that I already own a camera with the Pyxis sensor and ALL (sarcasm) I'm getting is adaptability in rigging, twice the weight, SDI out, more anamorphic modes, another CFAST port, Bigger battery life, and the need to get a proper cage system.

… As an aging dude (I'll be 43 this weekend!) …Why am I such a wimp now?
...

43, those were the days! Maybe I should loan you my new 10+ Kg puppy to build up your endurance. But you’re no wimp, you’re my hero!

Further observations

How much lighter would it be with the Pyxis monitor and a native battery? I think the Pyxis monitor is my favorite thing about the cam ergonomically. Cam powered and lightweight, win win.

Good Luck

Further observations

How much lighter would it be with the Pyxis monitor and a native battery? I think the Pyxis monitor is my favorite thing about the cam ergonomically. Cam powered and lightweight, win win.

Good Luck

I did setup the Pyxis with just a lens, BP-U battery, top handle, and monitor running off batteries and it truly felt like a Mini Ursa Mini, haha. I think a 5" screen or 6" is the sweet spot for this body. Can't wait for the Pyxis Monitor, as I think that will make this dark near perfect. Especially freeing up the SDI port for whatever purpose you need.